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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    No, just Jag.

    The thread isn't about Feeling types.
    That entry is the extroverted feeling type, i.e. Fe dom

    And you certainly are not god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    That entry is the extroverted feeling type, i.e. Fe dom
    This thread isn't about Fe Dom types or any type.

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    Jaguar I don't believe that you want to even follow Jung's definition of what Fe is. That's fine, but please at least admit you're doing so.

    The OP wants to know how Fe operates, and there was discussion of how Fe dom works etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Jaguar I don't believe that you want to even follow Jung's definition of what Fe is. That's fine, but please at least admit you're doing so.

    The OP wants to know how Fe operates, and there was discussion of how Fe dom works etc.
    This thread isn't about Fe Doms, what I want, or Jung's definition of an Extraverted Feeling type in the 1920's. This is 2011.

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    Why are you trying to police the conversation? Other people were talking about Fe doms and how to learn the motives of extroverted feeling. I find your hostility to Jung...who created the concept of Fe...very strange in a thread asking about developing Fe.

    It appears that you're trolling me and attempting to attack me, as far as I can tell. I have every right to share this information on Jungian Extroverted Feeling as you do your "sliver of Fe" points you decided to post.

    The OP and others reading this thread can decide for themselves whether they will be sensible enough to take Jung's original description of Extroverted Feeling into consideration when discussing extroverted feeling.

    Stop being so bossy.

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    well, i know people are divided, but my personal opinion is we can use both the introverted and extraverted attitudes of each of the processes.

    i am a Fi aux who tends to surround herself with Fe doms so maybe i can offer some thoughts on our differences that i've observed? i don't know if we can ever totally change our personal style, but i think we can definitely learn some behaviors from the other side of the fence.


    Would Fe come from just thinking about how my actions affect those around me, and putting them first, or is there something more to it?
    the thing that i think differs Fe from my Ne-lead Fi (which apparently frequently looks like Fe to others) is that Fe users seem to prioritize interpersonal dynamics over intrapersonal dynamics. Fe users look at relations between people. whereas i think of Fi+Ne as "pinging" between two people - check one person's mood/affect/values/etc and then check the others', then see how they match, and analyze the situation based off that. but Fe users don't seem to work that way... they check action-consequences, like you said, and impact. they seem to look at the lines between people, instead of pinging back and forth between people. and so that's how they see what i miss. and they can do it with one person in isolation, because even in isolation that person is affected by a whole lot of people-factors, but also they can do it with whole groups. whereas Fi users tend to suck at groups because it's hard for us to keep track of everyone all at once. it's like a Fe user looks at a spiderweb while Fi users look at the attachment points.

    personally i learned a lot of Fe strategies from my mom, who's an ESFJ. i think she's part of why i come off a little Fe. one of the major things i've learned from her is just to wait. Fi tends to be very reactive, but sometimes that does not have the best impact. it feels like betraying yourself to not act upon witnessing an event that rubs your F wrong, but Fe wisdom shows that biding your time and approaching from the sideline can be much more effective and have much less negative consequences for both you and the situation you're trying to remedy.

    my close ENFJ friend is also very cause-effect attentive in terms of people situations. she is very good at understanding what makes people act the way they do, and then using that understanding to work with them. i am like that in a similar way, but mine is less... conscious? like i "feel" others and understand their present being and work with that, digging to the core of who they are. whereas my friend sees everything that has gone into who they are, and then extrapolates to the present based on that. i think this is a very NeFi-FeNi difference, she definitely has very well developed Ni aux. from her, i have learned to take more stock of situations - to watch how people impact one another. i never found people-watching particularly interesting personally, but when i put myself in her frame of mind, it becomes a fascinating push-pull of will and interaction.

    another close friend of mine is ESFJ, and she is very other-attentive. she tends to be very interested in what you're doing, where you're going, how you've been, etc. one of the things i've really noticed with her is that she doesn't seem to try to come up with similar scenarios to relate. my native way of empathizing is to relate a similar situation i have been in, but she gets interested in your story without reverting to her own to try to understand yours, and i think that's an important aspect of Fi. Fi, literally introverting Feeling, is going to try to draw things back to oneself. and while that's awesome for self-understanding, and we can use that later to understand others, in the moment it takes away from the other person's experience. Fi users can learn to not draw the other person's story into themselves so much - to look for what the story means in terms of the other person more than what the story means in terms of ourselves.

    How would Fe work if there were some rift in a group's dynamic?
    given the Fe users that i would know, they would usually try to bring the group into consensus, or at least some kind of harmony. ime, NFJs seem to be more interested in "steering" groups in a certain direction, while SFJs seem to be more interested in "protecting" groups. which, really, are sort of both the same thing, but NFJs tend to press ahead and "wayshow" while SFJs tend to stay behind and tend.

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    Stepping away from the abstract constructs of theory, I find that, simply, Fe-prevalent types more successfully gain favor through convention than Fi-types. Likewise, I've seen Fi-dominant types — especially INFPs — flourish with their personal, endearing style, though they never quite know all the steps to the dance when it's demanded. For my own, the best characterization would be that whenever I've tried to flash that big smile, it instead comes across as a baring of teeth. As a result, I limit my activity that requires precise etiquette, and instead try to benefit from being straightforward and earnest rather than affable.

    My conclusion would be, then, that Fe can't be developed per se — and attempts to do so result in social distortions of a "my hovercraft is full of eels" magnitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htb View Post
    Stepping away from the abstract constructs of theory, I find that, simply, Fe-prevalent types more successfully gain favor through convention than Fi-types. Likewise, I've seen Fi-dominant types — especially INFPs — flourish with their personal, endearing style, though they never quite know all the steps to the dance when it's demanded. For my own, the best characterization would be that whenever I've tried to flash that big smile, it instead comes across as a baring of teeth. As a result, I limit my activity that requires precise etiquette, and instead try to benefit from being straightforward and earnest rather than affable.

    My conclusion would be, then, that Fe can't be developed per se — and attempts to do so result in social distortions of a "my hovercraft is full of eels" magnitude.
    Interesting. That was my entire point of posting the Fe dom description...Jung points out the the Fe type feels Fe sincerely, they aren't conforming to what is suitable just to be liked, that's genuinely what they want and how they flow.

    Others may disagree, and that's fine, but strictly speaking from Jungian perspective mimicking Fe...is not Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htb View Post
    Stepping away from the abstract constructs of theory, I find that, simply, Fe-prevalent types more successfully gain favor through convention than Fi-types. Likewise, I've seen Fi-dominant types — especially INFPs — flourish with their personal, endearing style, though they never quite know all the steps to the dance when it's demanded. For my own, the best characterization would be that whenever I've tried to flash that big smile, it instead comes across as a baring of teeth. As a result, I limit my activity that requires precise etiquette, and instead try to benefit from being straightforward and earnest rather than affable.

    My conclusion would be, then, that Fe can't be developed per se — and attempts to do so result in social distortions of a "my hovercraft is full of eels" magnitude.
    I like you already .

    Question: I have toyed with the idea in my head of whether people can consciously change their personality type. Based on your last sentence, would you say that would be pretty much impossible to do? Outside of perhaps someone who REALLY straddles the middle of a scale? (ie, 50/50 t/f).

    My premise is that our types are preferences... And preferences could change... But that by the time we are conscious of what our preferences are, they are already locked in.

    (does this even make sense or am I rambling again?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Dear god do I have to do this? I suppose I must.
    you should post the Fe function description, not (just) the ExFJ type description
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
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