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    I have a problem with the words "FEELING" and "THINKING" being used in the MBTI or other systems.

    These words have the undertone that:
    - someone with a FEELING (F) preference is all warm, fuzzy and emotional with NO intellect or logic.
    - someone with a THINKING (T) preference is all about logic and no emotion or feelings, making them out to be cold, harsh, robotic etc.

    SO I propose a change of wordings from:

    "Feeling" to "Subjective Decision Making"
    "Thinking" to "Objective Decision Making"

    What say you??

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    I have opinions on this but, frankly, the last week or so, its getting increasingly hard to state one's opinion without offending someone... so I'm not going to do it. I will say this though, from what I've seen, this thread is going to go in the direction of everyone is objective/subjective most of the time or, at least, everyone is going to come out as being pretty much identical... so just throw out MB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    I have a problem with the words "FEELING" and "THINKING" being used in the MBTI or other systems.

    These words have the undertone that:
    - someone with a FEELING (F) preference is all warm, fuzzy and emotional with NO intellect or logic.
    - someone with a THINKING (T) preference is all about logic and no emotion or feelings, making them out to be cold, harsh, robotic etc.

    SO I propose a change of wordings from:

    "Feeling" to "Subjective Decision Making"
    "Thinking" to "Objective Decision Making"

    What say you??
    I think you are going down the wrong road there. Thinking and Feeling are indicative of the natural Systematizing and Empathizing parts of the brain. That has nothing to do with "Objectivity" or "Subjectivity". It has to deal with how information is processed in the brain. An example would be a thinking type would process information as words and numbers whereas a feeling type would process information as images and symbols. Everyone has both of those capacities unless they have some sort of disorder (Ex. autistics lack the empathizing capacities), but it really comes down to preference when typing. The difference that people tend to associate with using these different faculties is social interaction where Thinkers tend to value the process (routines, rules, procedures, etc.) behind discussion and Feelers tend to value the experience (connections, bonds, emotions, etc.) of discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    I have a problem with the words "FEELING" and "THINKING" being used in the MBTI or other systems.

    These words have the undertone that:
    - someone with a FEELING (F) preference is all warm, fuzzy and emotional with NO intellect or logic.
    - someone with a THINKING (T) preference is all about logic and no emotion or feelings, making them out to be cold, harsh, robotic etc.

    SO I propose a change of wordings from:

    "Feeling" to "Subjective Decision Making"
    "Thinking" to "Objective Decision Making"

    What say you??
    I understand how you feel, but I think it's too late to change it now.


    Seriously though, I think it's incumbent upon whoever is doing the teaching that they explain the difference, as the books that I use most certainly do teach, that feelers can think, and thinkers have feelings, and that's not the technical use of those words in this context anyway.

    Just like when Carl Jung calls iNtuition "irrational". It's not that it's not rational, as we understand rational.

    It's like learning a foreign language. We have to learn the definitions of these words in this different context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    "Feeling" to "Subjective Decision Making"
    "Thinking" to "Objective Decision Making"
    It might be more descriptive... but wow, it is a mouthful, isn't it?

    If there was some other shorter terminology, that would help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanan View Post
    I have opinions on this but, frankly, the last week or so, its getting increasingly hard to state one's opinion without offending someone... so I'm not going to do it. I will say this though, from what I've seen, this thread is going to go in the direction of everyone is objective/subjective most of the time or, at least, everyone is going to come out as being pretty much identical... so just throw out MB.
    Seanan, Dont fear!! Say it ..gwan i dare you to say ur opinion Offend all u like, as long as its not personal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    I think you are going down the wrong road there. Thinking and Feeling are indicative of the natural Systematizing and Empathizing parts of the brain. That has nothing to do with "Objectivity" or "Subjectivity". It has to deal with how information is processed in the brain. An example would be a thinking type would process information as words and numbers whereas a feeling type would process information as images and symbols. Everyone has both of those capacities unless they have some sort of disorder (Ex. autistics lack the empathizing capacities), but it really comes down to preference when typing. The difference that people tend to associate with using these different faculties is social interaction where Thinkers tend to value the process (routines, rules, procedures, etc.) behind discussion and Feelers tend to value the experience (connections, bonds, emotions, etc.) of discussion.
    Mmmm ok...i didnt know that. thanks for insight.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I understand how you feel, but I think it's too late to change it now.


    Seriously though, I think it's incumbent upon whoever is doing the teaching that they explain the difference, as the books that I use most certainly do teach, that feelers can think, and thinkers have feelings, and that's not the technical use of those words in this context anyway.

    Just like when Carl Jung calls iNtuition "irrational". It's not that it's not rational, as we understand rational.

    It's like learning a foreign language. We have to learn the definitions of these words in this different context.
    Thats exactly what i mean!! Those words have certain meaning attached to them, so it makes it very confusing in laymans terms or even everday usage. Oh well. Tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    It might be more descriptive... but wow, it is a mouthful, isn't it?

    If there was some other shorter terminology, that would help.
    Subjective/Objective Perspective

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    It might be more descriptive... but wow, it is a mouthful, isn't it?

    If there was some other shorter terminology, that would help.
    lol....hehe yeah its a mouthful alright! I;ll let u think of a better alternative then, any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    lol....hehe yeah its a mouthful alright! I;ll let u think of a better alternative then, any suggestions?
    Systematizing and Empathizing?

    I don't really see where you are getting the Subjective/Objective.
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    Well, it's been discussed before on the forums here, last summer... I just don't remember the outcome of all that.
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