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    I would say rather that
    F = people oriented
    T = object oriented

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    I don't get it. ....
    You're not seeing it simply enough.
    Since you are so educated in this subject,
    you don't realize the simplicity with which some people are approaching this subject.
    When people are first introduced to MBTT, they hear "thinking" and "feeling" in their colloquial terms.
    They jump to the wrong conclusion that Thinkers don't have feelings, and that Feelers are not logical.
    The point of the OP is to try to avoid those misunderstandings by changing the vocabulary.
    But I think that no matter what the vocabulary, it will have to be explained.

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    Why use words that already have a meaning outside of MBTI?

    T= Tysharine
    F= Futaka

    That way you have to read the definitions in detail to understand what they're about!

    The words subjective and objective are very dodgey too.

    Subjective is that which applies only to the one person (singular group of beings), objective that which applies to everything. In this sense F's would focus on the feelings which only apply to one or more people, whereas T's would focus on that which applies to everyone.

    Then again twist objective/subjective to I's and E's. I's focus on their own subjective selves more, E's focus more on the shared objective world around them.

    The second one is closer to the military's use (at least on TV) of the words. The first closer to how everyone uses them.

    I'd also suggest:
    T= Principle-ing
    F= Value-ing

    Since that would involve looking up their meanings for most people, I imagine. Whilst still having some root in the areas outside of MBTI (making it seem less like made up cr*p).

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    To respond to your inquiry, I always find it amusing that the first thing people want to do is change the system when they have failed to understand it as is. There is nothing wrong with the system, it's the readers.
    Yup... would be interesting to see which types do that the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcearos View Post
    I would say rather that
    F = people oriented
    T = object oriented
    case closed
    good one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcearos View Post
    I would say rather that
    F = people oriented
    T = object oriented
    Nope... consider situation in which "people" must be assigned certain tasks... a team. "F" will consider the individuals based on their own value system and how it will affect those individuals. "T" will consider the goal of the team and take into account the personalities involved for ultimate success. Both involve regard for people.

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    Furthermore all extraverts focus on the object (objective) and to some extent are people oriented more than introverts who focus on themselves (subjective). Those terms are currently considered in Jung's work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcearos View Post
    Another try.
    According to Linda V Berens. Dynamics of personality type, p.15

    Under the heading:
    Jung's Cognitive Processes

    "Judgement
    We have to adandon the usual meanings we give to te names in this category. Thinking as a cognitive process is not the same as tought, analysis, or intelligence. Here, it specifically means coming to decisions using objective criterial. Likewise, the Feeling process is not about emotion or feeling but about evaluating events and circumstances according to improtance and values."

    T = decision using objective criteria
    F = evaluating events and circumstances accroding to importance and values


    I agree on this. Very much.
    Did you raise a theory then second it? How funny. I do agree and those are some good connotations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    I dig it!

    I think of it as:
    F: need for harmony
    T: need for consistency
    This is the closest to the way I think of it.

    Not really at odds, but can be at times.

    Here is my attempt:

    F: need for "goodness"
    T: need for honesty

    Accept the past. Live for the present. Look forward to the future.
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