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    Default How do you sort The Temperaments for your purposes?

    (I'm pulling this from my LJ blog today.) This is a personal preference of course, but for my own purposes/understanding of MBTI, I can better sort the types by these groupings: TP/TJ/FP/FJ.

    ESTP Se Ti Fe Ni
    ISTP Ti Se Ni Fe
    ENTP Ne Ti Fe Si
    INTP Ti Ne Si Fe

    ESTJ Te Si Ne Fi
    ISTJ Si Te Fi Ne
    ENTJ Te Ni Se Fi
    INTJ Ni Te Fi Se

    ESFP Se Fi Te Ni
    ISFP Fi Se Ni Te
    ENFP Ne Fi Te Si
    INFP Fi Ne Si Te

    ESFJ Fe Si Ne Ti
    ISFJ Si Fe Ti Ne
    ENFJ Fe Ni Se Ti
    INFJ Ni Fe Ti Se


    What about you all? What do you prefer? I know some people have expressed a preference for behavioral groupings IP, IJ, EP, EJ and some people stick with the accepted Archetypes (NF, NT, SJ, SP).

    Also, I'd like feedback from others on my set of pairings and how you think it may or may not be functional.
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    I better sort them FP, FJ, ST, NT
    FP: creative, individualistic, exotic, rebellious, free spirited, convicted, sweet
    FJ: community centric, caring, emotional, sensitive, humanitarian
    ST: practical, detail oriented, linear, straightforward, efficient, act first talk later,
    NT: rational (obviously), calculating, theoretical yet practical, calm, seldom neurotic

    I certainly agree with your seperation of FPs and FJs. there is little similarity between them if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I better sort them FP, FJ, ST, NT
    FP: creative, individualistic, exotic, rebellious, free spirited, convicted, sweet
    FJ: community centric, caring, emotional, sensitive, humanitarian
    ST: practical, detail oriented, linear, straightforward, efficient, act first talk later,
    NT: rational (obviously), calculating, theoretical yet practical, calm, seldom neurotic

    I certainly agree with your seperation of FPs and FJs. there is little similarity between them if you ask me.
    That's interesting.

    I forgot to add that some people have expressed a preference for NJ, NP, SJ, SP.
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    Meh... I'm not much into sorting... so I stick with the basics (SJ, SP, NF, NT).

    Though perhaps a system like this...
    SJ, NJ, SP, NP
    ...or the one you mentioned in your first post might work better.

    Dunno... doesn't really seem to matter too much to me.

    *edit* Oops...you've already mentioned the SJ, NJ, SP, NP way of sorting. My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    That's interesting.

    I forgot to add that some people have expressed a preference for NJ, NP, SJ, SP.
    yes, this would be an effective means of sorting as well. N-S combined with P-J determine the way information is obtained by the individual. I run into a lot of trouble with my ENTJ bff because he uses Ni and I use Ne so, although we both use intuition, we have a difficult time explaining things to each other and our intellectual abilities are completely different styles.
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    Good thread! I've been thinking of this lately.

    I prefer EJ, EP, IJ, IP. This categorization scheme is, I think, best at capturing outward similarities.

    I'd equally go with the one in the OP, though, too. TP/TJ/FP/FJ makes sense.

    Also, I'll mention that I don't really like the NJ, NP, SJ, SP groupings because, well, surely an ISFJ has more similarities to an INFJ than to ESTJ, right? And surely an ENFP is more similar to an ESFP than to an INTP, n'est pas? This is only one tiny step better than Keirsey, but it's still not good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Good thread! I've been thinking of this lately.

    I prefer EJ, EP, IJ, IP. This categorization scheme is, I think, best at capturing outward similarities.

    I'd equally go with the one in the OP, though, too. TP/TJ/FP/FJ makes sense.

    Also, I'll mention that I don't really like the NJ, NP, SJ, SP groupings because, well, surely an ISFJ has more similarities to an INFJ than to ESTJ, right? And surely an ENFP is more similar to an ESFP than to an INTP, n'est pas? This is only one tiny step better than Keirsey, but it's still not good.
    not sure I agree with this one. I love ESFPs, but I have a very hard time relating to their thought processes. INTJs and INTPs both relate to me better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    not sure I agree with this one. I love ESFPs, but I have a very hard time relating to their thought processes. INTJs and INTPs both relate to me better
    I said "similar." Feeling like you relate to somebody has less to do with temperament and more to do with chemistry/shared interests/similar backgrounds/region/what have you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I said "similar." Feeling like you relate to somebody has less to do with temperament and more to do with chemistry/shared interests/similar backgrounds/region/what have you.
    fair enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Also, I'll mention that I don't really like the NJ, NP, SJ, SP groupings because, well, surely an ISFJ has more similarities to an INFJ than to ESTJ, right? And surely an ENFP is more similar to an ESFP than to an INTP, n'est pas? This is only one tiny step better than Keirsey, but it's still not good.
    Ah, this is a good point, I was going to side with these groupings but you're right. I wonder though, similarity in outside behaviour vs. similarity in how they think, may yield different results.
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