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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    Orangey, I admit that I find the EJ IP IJ EP sorting easier in terms of spotting which groups people belong to when I'm out and about in the real world, because although I don't know their inner workings, it's not hard to identify visible behavior in real life. On a place like this forum that way becomes a lot tougher.
    Eh, I think typing people on the forum is a farce anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    And of course, Myer's original preferred function combinations (ST, NT, SF, and NF)

    Another grouping I don't see discussed by anyone else, but I occasionally mention, is what I call the "social image" groups (E/I + T/F): ET, IT, EF, IF. They are probably the most easily detected when we see others in social settings. These also figure in the "Enigmatic Types" thread, and are coterminous with the Interaction Styles for the S's.
    Aha, I like both of these.

    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Never knew there was a right or wrong way to do anything for one's personal purposes.
    Really? So anything I do is okay as long as it's for my own personal purposes? I wonder how well that little ditty will fly in court...
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    This has all been very interesting... I'm inclined to think that, as a few others said, the IJ/IP/EJ/EP sets are probably the easiest and most useful at least for external factors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    That's interesting.

    I forgot to add that some people have expressed a preference for NJ, NP, SJ, SP.
    I think NJ, NP, SJ, SP makes equally as much sense as FP, FJ, TP, TJ. I think groups need to be formed for similarity of functions, not for random "interaction styles."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    lol i dunno, as a Ti user you should have been able to recognize your own tautological reasoning and baseless assertions. The problem with the bolded is not that I failed to understand it, but simply that it's an assertion in need of justification that you clearly, for whatever reason, want to pass-off as self-evident.

    or do i need to write a book that explains how not to argue like a twelve year-old on the internet?


    but its obvious if you understand what Si, Se, Ni and Ne means and if you understand the meaning for words 'similar' and 'different'. Se and Si are different, Ni and Ne are similar. what more do you need lol? if you need definitions for Si, Se, Ni and Ne, try google.
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    I like the EP, EJ, IP, and IJ grouping the best as the types share the same cognitive function structure(Ji Pe Pi Je for IP) and I think they will have alot of lifestyle similarities.

    For example:

    EPs - The Explorers
    These people share extroverted perceiving as their dominant function.
    They generally have an positive, optimistic view of the external world
    They are the most in-tune with the external world(either in the concrete, here and now or the abstract, conceptual)
    They are very action-based(reactive), even more than EJs
    may be seen as reckless
    Most adaptable
    Easily bored, restless, need constant stimulation
    risk-taking
    loves change, novelty seeking
    "All over the place"

    IPs - The Individualists
    They share dominant introverted judgement
    Live and let live types
    Probably the most easygoing temperament but have strong, solid internal values, principles
    Relaxed, mellow, laid-back demeanor, least concern for controlling external environment, may be seen as lazy(esp INPs)
    Low energy
    Slowly building up their internal identity and what they think is personally meaningful
    Receptive, informative
    Fluctuates between longer periods of quiet reflection and shorter periods of stimulating activity
    Passive, peaceful
    Behind the scences
    Secretly perfectionistic
    Most undecisive
    Nonconformist

    IJs - The Stragetists
    They share dominant introverted perceiving
    Very cautious
    Have strong inner visions
    Stable, Steady
    least externally adaptable
    Anxious about sudden change, seems like the opposites of the EPs
    Prepared
    Likes having a plan of action
    Focused
    Might have whimsical, unexpected private lives and interests, "wearing" a Je mask
    Dependable, very reliable

    EJs - The Initiators
    They share dominant extroverted jugdement
    Proactive, go-getters
    Organized
    Goal-oriented
    Forceful, strong personalities
    May be seen as "uptight", "rigid" by other temperaments(esp ETJs)
    Likes to follow through
    Doers
    Directive
    Natural leaders
    Very decisive
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    INTP:
    Honestly, I think Se and Ne are more similar than Se and Si. (Same for Si and Ni vs. Ni and Ne.) Perhaps I am also just stupid, but I've read these definitions as well, and come to a different conclusion than you did. Your conclusion isn't 'obvious' at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Really? So anything I do is okay as long as it's for my own personal purposes? I wonder how well that little ditty will fly in court...
    It wouldn't even go to court in the first place. No matter how I decide to group the temperaments, it's not going to affect you. Even if I'm 'wrong' and you're 'right'. Even if my system makes no sense. You will not die or be injured by my 'crime'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robopop View Post
    I like the EP, EJ, IP, and IJ grouping the best as the types share the same cognitive function structure(Ji Pe Pi Je for IP) and I think they will have alot of lifestyle similarities.

    For example:

    EPs - The Explorers
    These people share extroverted perceiving as their dominant function.
    They generally have an positive, optimistic view of the external world
    They are the most in-tune with the external world(either in the concrete, here and now or the abstract, conceptual)
    They are very action-based(reactive), even more than EJs
    may be seen as reckless
    Most adaptable
    Easily bored, restless, need constant stimulation
    risk-taking
    loves change, novelty seeking
    "All over the place"

    IPs - The Individualists
    They share dominant introverted judgement
    Live and let live types
    Probably the most easygoing temperament but have strong, solid internal values, principles
    Relaxed, mellow, laid-back demeanor, least concern for controlling external environment, may be seen as lazy(esp INPs)
    Low energy
    Slowly building up their internal identity and what they think is personally meaningful
    Receptive, informative
    Fluctuates between longer periods of quiet reflection and shorter periods of stimulating activity
    Passive, peaceful
    Behind the scences
    Secretly perfectionistic
    Most undecisive
    Nonconformist

    IJs - The Stragetists
    They share dominant introverted perceiving
    Very cautious
    Have strong inner visions
    Stable, Steady
    least externally adaptable
    Anxious about sudden change, seems like the opposites of the EPs
    Prepared
    Likes having a plan of action
    Focused
    Might have whimsical, unexpected private lives and interests, "wearing" a Je mask
    Dependable, very reliable

    EJs - The Initiators
    They share dominant extroverted jugdement
    Proactive, go-getters
    Organized
    Goal-oriented
    Forceful, strong personalities
    May be seen as "uptight", "rigid" by other temperaments(esp ETJs)
    Likes to follow through
    Doers
    Directive
    Natural leaders
    Very decisive
    how about for example ENTP with good Si and Ti(low E), that sort of ENTP is more similar to ESFP than INTP with high Ne and Fe(low I)?

    in conclusion this pairing works only if you look as extremes -> it fails
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    Quote Originally Posted by penny89 View Post
    INTP:
    Honestly, I think Se and Ne are more similar than Se and Si. (Same for Si and Ni vs. Ni and Ne.) Perhaps I am also just stupid, but I've read these definitions as well, and come to a different conclusion than you did. Your conclusion isn't 'obvious' at all.
    N and S are different enough to put them in different category, are you saying that its not obvious without me saying it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    N and S are different enough to put them in different category, are you saying that its not obvious without me saying it?
    N and S are different, that's why there is that MBTI dichotomy. Talking about the actual functions, though, I think the Pe are more similar to one another than either is to Pi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by penny89 View Post
    N and S are different, that's why there is that MBTI dichotomy. Talking about the actual functions, though, I think the Pe are more similar to one another than either is to Pi.
    big picture vs details, thats the biggest difference between P functions. Ni and Ne both see patterns, look at big picture, combine things(Ne what is perceived and Ni what is judged) etc etc. Si sees the impression of whats happening, Se sees details in objective manner, Se sees objective details, Si sees details on subjective impressions.,Si creates personal impression based on what is judged(that way creating the subjective impression, with Si dom the judgment comes from unconscious most the time, making more room for the actual impression on conscious), Se just taking in what is perceived.
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