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    I think the problem is a matter of interpreting Jung's text there (which just seems so hard to digest as it is, for some reason), so different people (including Myers, etc) emphasized different aspects of it.

    What I have found that seems to fit best (especially in comparison to the other functions), is from Lenore Thomson's definitions.
    Fi is about a "personal connection" to an evolving pattern. Personal (F) as opposed to impersonal or technical, basically (T), and an evolving pattern basically being a "variable" (as termed for Ti) that an individual picks up and internalizes, rather than an agreed upon (external) set of personal standards (or what I now term "established").

    That seems to be the most concise way to decipher Jung's above quotes.
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    Below might be OOT and unsure whether or not I should add it. Here goes.
    Just to check something:
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    I don't use most MBTI function descriptions, I think they're oversimplified, ie. Obama being typed as stereotypical "Fe" just seems rather wrong.

    Also, check out this translated version http://forum.socionix.com/topic/2459...post__p__15808

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    Oh that's socionics, not Jung.

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    Actually it's not Socionics, it's a direct translation from Jung's Psychological Types that uses easier words and grammar. I don't use Socionics. Though Jung was the one who said Fi types are rational, so it could be perceived as anti-MBTI.

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    Oh I'm sorry - it's Socionix. I'm sure it changes when it's spelled Cosioniks as well.

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    Interestingly enough, when you google "Jung" or "Jung personality types" and "tests," it comes up with MBTI, yet they're not the same thing. When I speak to people who know something about the MBTI, they often refer to it as Jung's theory, or visa versa.

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    Yes, and the OP directly quoted Jung.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post
    From his most famous description of the types:

    Introverted feeling in general.

    Dominant introverted feeling


    This description is very different from your average MBTI Fi description. It's portrayed as a cold, internally manipulative function rather than a system of values and feelings (or even the values/feelings themselves, as some descriptions allude to).

    How many relate to the description, regardless of MBTI type? How many MBTI Fi doms don't relate to it? Any similar descriptions? (I recall at least one other description that portrayed Fi like this, but I can't find it)

    I relate to it a lot. More than any other type description. Yet when it comes to MBTI types, I'll relate to Ts more, precisely because I fit this Fi description pretty well. I don't relate to the T functions themselves, but the behavioural descriptions will put me much closer to MBTI Ts than Fs.
    This is my favorite personality type description (and set of descriptions), and this one in particular fits me quite well.

    Speaking for others I know in MBTI who usually score xNFP on function or preference tests, and moreover relate to xNFP descriptions, they don't always fit into Jungian's version of introverted feeling, because MBTI goes into a somewhat different interpretation of these same types without the determination to stay true to the original thing, obviously. Often there might be some ambiguity as to which functions they truly relate to in MBTI because of its more simplified nature, one that attempts to be subservient to the four preferences (and I personally still know IXFJs who relate a lot to Fi, like any type who doesn't fit into 'the structure'), so like any personality theory it is always a question of 'are categories all that necessary?' (in being that they might relate to multiple types) however from what I can tell some of these xNFPs I mention relate much more to Jung's extroverted feeling description, while relating the most to some general MBTI Fi descriptions.

    I personally find this introverted feeling description to fit me and others I know the most, much better than what I've seen from MBTI Fi descriptions. I've found that most who have chosen to speak with me about it have felt similarly about their Jungian type description, especially in a way of thinking that that there is 'more to' the MBTI than just the ambiguous and limited interpretation of the functions in their current state. These often lead to a disagreement as to what someone, such as a famous figure, is typed; there is much unneeded room to 'fill in the blanks' with varying perspectives. I should say, one of the most unambiguous but shallow typing systems there is to date is the four-preference testing model of MBTI, due to its precision of categorization, and what it does well is take an overall impression of both introverted and extroverted feeling simultaneously, and divide these respectively into either 'decisive' feeling Fe, or 'perceptive' feeling Fi, and as one preference J/P already ambiguous as it is, creates lots of typing problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    I don't use most MBTI function descriptions, I think they're oversimplified, ie. Obama being typed as stereotypical "Fe" just seems rather wrong.

    Also, check out this translated version http://forum.socionix.com/topic/2459...post__p__15808
    Thanks for this link. That helps to clarify a few points.

    I find the description quite interesting and observant. He focuses a lot more on areas typically brushed over or ignored by others, such as the cold demeanour (which is particularly unusual to emphasise over 'sweetness' and 'conscientiousness'). I really like that he recognises the divide between apparent expression and the inner motivations and processes (and that he actually understands it!) - this is something many descriptions fail to appreciate. Some statements I found especially interesting (and struck a chord):

    Quote Originally Posted by Jung
    One may even be made to feel stupid and superfluous. In the presence of something that might arouse enthusiasm or excitement, the Fi type will maintain a disposition of benevolent neutrality, tempered with an occasional trace of superiority and criticism that can quickly dissipate one’s spirits. Tumultuous emotions too, from others or even a spouse, can and often will be rejected with murderous coldness - that is, unless the emotion happens to evoke forth some idea, image, or essence from the Fi woman’s repertoire of subjective ideational-affections.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jung
    Meanwhile, however, the real subjective relation to the spouse is safely kept in a secure and tranquil static state of feeling as far away from the present hostilities as possible, immune to the influence of transient moods and intemperance. This absence of expression can contribute to a sense of unappreciation on part of the spouse, if he is ever made conscious of it. Where it remains unconscious, it can gradually smolder into more serious symptoms.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jung
    the real difference is that their feelings are simply intensive rather than extensive
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