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  1. #1
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    Default The Forer effect

    How much would you say this passage is like you? 1 is least like you, 5 is most like you.
    You have a great need for other people to like and admire you. You have a tendency to be critical of yourself. You have a great deal of unused capacity which you have not turned to your advantage. While you have some personality weaknesses, you are generally able to compensate for them. Disciplined and self-controlled outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure inside. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. You pride yourself as an independent thinker and do not accept others' statements without satisfactory proof. You have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. At times you are extroverted, affable, sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, reserved. Some of your aspirations tend to be pretty unrealistic. Security is one of your major goals in life.
    Don't we all just fall victim to the Forer effect? All this "typing" seems quite silly to me. I think the only way to find out your true personality is through deep reflection and the opinions of people you are close to. And really, what is the point of typing people other than to divide people into groups? Were personality theories created because we all feel the need to fit in somewhere?

    Meh... I apologize... I really don't know where I was going with this, but I would appreciate it if you guys would answer the poll.

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    Yep, those are too general. But just to take part in the poll anyways, I'll say 4.

    You have a great need for other people to like and admire you.[Who doesn't to some degree?] You have a tendency to be critical of yourself.[Who isn't] You have a great deal of unused capacity which you have not turned to your advantage.[Who doesn't believe this?] While you have some personality weaknesses, you are generally able to compensate for them. [Who does not believe this?] Disciplined and self-controlled outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure inside. [so-so on this one] At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. [quite sure everyone does] You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. [kind of.... ummm... who doesn't?] You pride yourself as an independent thinker and do not accept others' statements without satisfactory proof. [These days... well proof IS something] You have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. [quite sure most people learn this while growing up] At times you are extroverted, affable, sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, reserved. [not everyone is totally an introvert or an extrovert...] Some of your aspirations tend to be pretty unrealistic. [yeah] Security is one of your major goals in life. [I'm quite sure enough people want a stable life to live]

    Don't have to answer the poll to really know how easily it is to relate to it lol. Quite sure all personality tests are like that. Just that they try to group you in this category or that category.

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    This passage is very subject to the Forer effect, but I haven't seen any type description that was written like this. Give someone a random description that is not of their own type and they are probably not going to relate to it very strongly.

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    You have a great need for other people to like and admire you. You have a tendency to be critical of yourself. You have a great deal of unused capacity which you have not turned to your advantage. While you have some personality weaknesses, you are generally able to compensate for them. Disciplined and self-controlled outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure inside. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. You pride yourself as an independent thinker and do not accept others' statements without satisfactory proof. You have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. At times you are extroverted, affable, sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, reserved. Some of your aspirations tend to be pretty unrealistic. Security is one of your major goals in life.
    What's that.. probably 3.5/5?

    If a type description is too general, it doesn't effectively subdivide the spectrum of personality. If it's too specific, then doesn't describe anyone, as nobody will relate to it. Neither of these are particularly useful, of course, so the key is to strike a meaningful balance.

    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    Give someone a random description that is not of their own type and they are probably not going to relate to it very strongly.
    Yeah. When I asked about whether descriptions for members' opposing types fit them, I was actually surprised at how many didn't find much "common ground" with their opposing type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    Yeah. When I asked about whether descriptions for members' opposing types fit them, I was actually surprised at how many didn't find much "common ground" with their opposing type.
    Maybe because we see our opposite type as "negative" traits? I am quite sure the traits that people see as negative traits will be far more likely to be in the opposite profile because it was made to be the opposite of what you chose.

    What we see as opposite types might be answers we chose not to choose because we saw the other choice as a better one. Much like the saying "the lesser of two evils." I mean, if you think about the justice or mercy question, which I am quite sure leads either to T or F as part of the 4 dichotomies. Chances are, if you were like me, I would choose Justice only because always having Mercy isn't the best thing. If I were given the choice, I would rather choose something in between.

    This is coming from a guy that has gotten answers ranging from IXXP (mostly,) ENFX, and INFJ.

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    Eh...I'd say maybe 2 or 3. While I would say I have some "unused capacity" I wouldn't say it's A LOT. I also would not say that I'm extremely disciplined and controlled on the outside, I'm fairly moderate in that area. However, I'd say that description you posted is so vague and general it could be applied to many people, especially adults over 25.

    Quote Originally Posted by Takeru View Post
    Maybe because we see our opposite type as "negative" traits? I am quite sure the traits that people see as negative traits will be far more likely to be in the opposite profile because it was made to be the opposite of what you chose.

    What we see as opposite types might be answers we chose not to choose because we saw the other choice as a better one. Much like the saying "the lesser of two evils." I mean, if you think about the justice or mercy question, which I am quite sure leads either to T or F as part of the 4 dichotomies. Chances are, if you were like me, I would choose Justice only because always having Mercy isn't the best thing. If I were given the choice, I would rather choose something in between.

    This is coming from a guy that has gotten answers ranging from IXXP (mostly,) ENFX, and INFJ.
    Yeah I always balk at the justice or mercy question, and I must lean toward justice because I realize in order to have a fully-functioning society where the highest good is in effect, justice really is the only answer.

    However, on a personal everyday basis I can be merciful, depending on the person and situation.

    I have a preoccupation with justice that is probably due to Te. I don't know if that's a T/F question or a J/P question.

    At any rate, cognitive function theory is a far superior way to type people than the simple four dichotomies.

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    You have a great need for other people to like and admire you. You have a tendency to be critical of yourself. You have a great deal of unused capacity which you have not turned to your advantage. While you have some personality weaknesses, you are generally able to compensate for them. Disciplined and self-controlled outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure inside. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. You pride yourself as an independent thinker and do not accept others' statements without satisfactory proof. You have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. At times you are extroverted, affable, sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, reserved. Some of your aspirations tend to be pretty unrealistic. Security is one of your major goals in life.

    I'm going with 3/5. About half fits, but only because it is vague. My favorite wording is "you prefer a certain amount of..." - hahaha! That pretty much allows people to interpret the amount to whatever suits them .

    I don't think MBTI has a forer effect on me because I don't identify with most of the profiles. Jung's description of Introverted Feeling is the only one which hits home for me. Other INFP profiles are better than the other types, but certainly not 100% accurate.

    The point of creating personality typology systems is to categorize different ways of thinking & how it manifests as personality. A lot of people think other people don't make sense or are even inferior simply because they think differently. Jungian theory / MBTI / personality typology opens up communication on the idea that different ways of thinking, different personalities, etc, are not flaws in others. Recognizing these differences can aid communication, self-growth, etc.
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    IMO:

    Takeru explained the problem that makes that passage unfair inherently ("who doesn't agree with ... to some degree/at some times?" (Answer: Very, very, very few, if any. (Which explains why this passage receives so many 'hits.'))).

    Luna explains why this passage is unlike credible descriptions of any personality type/system ("I haven't seen any type description that was written like this.").

    When it comes to credible personality systems, each 'type' within will be distinct and unique enough to not include everyone (as bologna said, "If a type description is too general, it doesn't effectively subdivide the spectrum of personality." "is not effective" = invalid = not a credible system) - the complete opposite of how the infamous Forer Effect passage is.

    The things you mentioned aside from the Forer effect passage seem to be completely unrelated topics to the Forer effect topic ("all this interest in "typing" seems silly to me", "what is the point of typing people?", "were personality theories created because we all feel the need to fit in somewhere?"), though, and I just came here to discuss the Forer effect.

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    I find that the type descriptions closest to my type sound more like me than those farther. I see myself in INTP and ISFP than say ESFJ.

    The thing with MB in particular, is that there is going to be overlap. There's only 4 functions, and 2 orientations of each. So we have 8 options, and personally I see the axes as one function, like NeSi or FiTe. In the end, there are only so many ways (16 in fact) to rearrange the functions. The potions of INTP I see in myself are different than those of ISFP.

    Also, the descriptions are just someone's interpretation of how the combination of functions would be expressed in a person. This is much harder, because behavior isn't as linked to the functions as cognition, which is invisible to the observer. So I also believe the descriptions can cause the Forer effect, but that's not a fault of the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybin View Post
    I find that the type descriptions closest to my type sound more like me than those farther. I see myself in INTP and ISFP than say ESFJ.

    The thing with MB in particular, is that there is going to be overlap. There's only 4 functions, and 2 orientations of each. So we have 8 options, and personally I see the axes as one function, like NeSi or FiTe. In the end, there are only so many ways (16 in fact) to rearrange the functions. The potions of INTP I see in myself are different than those of ISFP.

    Also, the descriptions are just someone's interpretation of how the combination of functions would be expressed in a person. This is much harder, because behavior isn't as linked to the functions as cognition, which is invisible to the observer. So I also believe the descriptions can cause the Forer effect, but that's not a fault of the system.
    Agree....I can relate to big chunks of many INTP & ISFP profiles, and its because we share a preferred function. When I read an ESxJ profile though, there's nothing that rings true for me. And the descriptions have to be very vague, and often are caricatures more than realistic portraits, because they're describing how a thought process generally appears as personality, and there's obviously a ton of room for variation within a type.
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