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    Its funny how when I get in arguments with fellow NFJs , it's like we never actually get to the point.
    It just becomes a tennis match of semantics and delivery systems.
    I have seen this game go on so long that the original point is long forgotten.
    Someone feeling like someone else has been dishonest, turns into a 5 hours discussion about the meaning of the word "worry".
    That's detail focused if you ask me.
    Do S's do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post

    I just needed to put this out there to all you who like to box people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    Its funny how when I get in arguments with fellow NFJs , it's like we never actually get to the point.
    It just becomes a tennis match of semantics and delivery systems.
    I have seen this game go on so long that the original point is long forgotten.
    Someone feeling like someone else has been dishonest, turns into a 5 hours discussion about the meaning of the word "worry".
    That's detail focused if you ask me.
    Do S's do this?
    I was about make a similar statement.

    NTJs on here go back and forth about one specific aspect of an issue. Of course, it can be theoretical in nature (but not always), but they get bogged down in trying to make their point, over the big picture at hand.
    This might be more of an introverted perception issue, more than an S issue. Seems like Ps don't have this issue. They tend to move on very very quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    Put MBTI on that box and it's perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    It's not remotely unusal to see this in an employment ad:

    Must be detail-oriented with the ability to see the big picture.

    I used to run ads like that, myself. If someone wasn't both, I wouldn't hire them. That's why it's not surprising to see things like this, regarding MBTI:



    Of course they show weak validity. No shocker, there. The majority of people I have known in my lifetime are well-rounded individuals. In business, one better be detail-oriented lest they get their head handed to them on a plate.
    But it's fun to make sweeping judgements about people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    Put MBTI on that box and it's perfect for an illustration.
    I understand that sometimes MBTI is given more importance than it should have. But, if we really think MBTI is a bunch of overblown jibberish, then why do we all keep coming back to this site and reading/learning about it? If we're all the same and N/S differences are just a figment of our imagination, then why do we even bother to spend time on a website dedicated to MBTI?

    What I'm saying is, the reason I come here is because I think there is merit in MBTI. I think there really are differences in our tendencies and the way we tend to behave. Tend is a very key word because it implies that it is not absolute or "all the time". But, it also implies that the differences are real - they really do exist. If they didn't, I wouldn't be here trying to learn about other people's personalities and why they are different from me. If we were all the same and MBTI was completely bogus, I'd have no reason to come here.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    I understand that sometimes MBTI is given more importance than it should have. But, if we really think MBTI is a bunch of overblown jibberish, then why do we all keep coming back to this site and reading/learning about it? If we're all the same and N/S differences are just a figment of our imagination, then why do we even bother to spend time on a website dedicated to MBTI?

    What I'm saying is, the reason I come here is because I think there is merit in MBTI. I think there really are differences in our tendencies and the way we tend to behave. Tend is a very key word because it implies that it is not absolute or "all the time". But, it also implies that the differences are real - they really do exist. If they didn't, I wouldn't be here trying to learn about other people's personalities and why there are different from me. If we were all the same and MBTI was complete bogus, I'd have no reason to come here.
    I'm with you. But everyone isn't middle of the road with you, with it.

    MBTI wasn’t offered to me in high school. But it seems like today it’s used more and more at that level in helping kids figure out their future. But for every person like you and I who recognize that it has its flaws, and it’s a generality, there’s 3 people who take what they read as some sort of gospel for them to navigate the world- especially N types. I can see a biased teacher or guidance counselor painting certain pictures of certain types.

    Like any kind of information it has to be used as intended. And sometimes on this forum it’s not. That's my point. I love what I'm learning and find most discussion here to be worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    How come "sensor" always seems to get equated with SJ (Si)? :steam:

    But being detail-oriented is very different from respecting the value of facts and objective information (vs. opinions, speculations, personal theories, etc).
    Yeah Si is more detail oriented than Se, and I elaborated on Si because of that, and also because I understand it better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    I was about make a similar statement.

    NTJs on here go back and forth about one specific aspect of an issue. Of course, it can be theoretical in nature (but not always), but they get bogged down in trying to make their point, over the big picture at hand.
    This might be more of an introverted perception issue, more than an S issue. Seems like Ps don't have this issue. They tend to move on very very quickly.
    Agree. I can get annoyed with these huge Ni (often Ni/Ti with INFJs) walls of text that are really nit picky and full of semantics and I'm just like...blah blah blah tl;dr

    I think I have more patience with Si/Te detail (though I can feel oppressed by actually having to execute it too often IRL, because while it's part of my personality, it's a lesser part) than the Ni/Ti detail. Ni/Ti detail drives me batshit.

    I tend to focus on details primarily in my writing, that's where it really comes out ...I use Si sensory detail memory to inspire my creative writing, and I also tend to check things like spelling and search for little mistakes in presentation when I work on a non-fiction writing assignment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    I'm with you. But everyone isn't middle of the road with you, with it.

    MBTI wasn’t offered to me in high school. But it seems like today it’s used more and more at that level in helping kids figure out their future. But for every person like you and I who recognize that it has its flaws, and it’s a generality, there’s 3 people who take what they read as some sort of gospel for them to navigate the world- especially N types. I can see a biased teacher or guidance counselor painting certain pictures of certain types.

    Like any kind of information it has to be used as intended. And sometimes on this forum it’s not. That's my point. I love what I'm learning and find most discussion here to be worthwhile.
    Yeah, I agree with your post. We're on the same page. I just know that when I first learned about MBTI it was indeed pretty eye opening for me. It really explained a lot of things for me - why I liked a lot of alone time (Ti), why I've always had this quirky sense of humor that some people find hilarious/ridiculous and some people don't find funny at all (Ne), why people in my past had made comments that I wasn't very "practical" - I was a "big dreamer" who talked about "impossible things" (Ne), why my interests changed so often (Ne) why people said I was too rigid and focused on logic (T), why I had an unexplainable tendency to procrastinate, to be fairly laid-back and easy going rather than directive (P).

    Not only did it "explain" a lot of these aspects of my personality, it helped me to see my weaknesses and allowed me to begin to move to a place that was more well-rounded. Let me give you an example. Before I knew anything about MBTI (young and dumb), I used to think that some members of my family were "dumb" because they didn't want to "theorize" with me; they didn't want to talk about ideas and possibilities with me. When I talked about that stuff, they tuned me out. I thought they were simple-minded and dumb. Now, years later (and MBTI has helped tremendously with this), I realize how arrogant that was of me. That it's not a matter of "smart" or "dumb" - it's just that they aren't as interested in that kind of discussion because it has no practical implications in the here-and-now. They're just not that interested in "my kind of conversation". That doesn't make me better than them or even "smarter", necessarily. It's just different personalities, different flavors. Variety - it's the spice of life.

    So, what I'm saying is, if MBTI is used correctly - it can actually be used to make us "less ignorant" and "more tolerant". Because of MBTI, I'm now less ignorant than I once was. There are still things I need to learn in life and probably still some areas in which I remain ignorant, but MBTI helped in understanding others and the way they operate. If it hadn't helped me to understand other people, I would have stopped reading about ages ago.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


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