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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I agree, I dont think too that "I cant pay my bills on time" is really the one major indicator for being a N. It says more about your education and what your parents taught you to do. My parents totally forgot to raise me paying my bills on time, so my gf needed to do and she's scored infp on mbti tests. She came from a much poorer family so she was much more occupied with paying her bills on time.

    Being N and S is a difference in perception, but being blind to the real world, both are quite good at
    Yeah, totally I'm very good about making sure my bills are paid on time. Also I manage to show up to places on time, or at least have the courtesy to call. Nothing to with S or N, I've known S's who are always late forget to pay their bills. So I hate when people are like "I'm a N that's why I'm always late" it's like than get a watch! but I suck at reading time. Than get a digital watch
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    i dunno what else to say so

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    You want a good stab at descriptions the downsides of intuitive types? Take a look at the Socionics type descriptions.

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    No you are right and I have no idea.
    It's shadow Se. Or something. Who knows? I lost track of how people try to explain things like that using the theory.

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    Do Ns need to be reminded of their weaknesses? The common view on the forum (but I suppose the forum would be biased!) is that we live in an S world. Uncommon weaknesses are generally more criticised than common weaknesses because they stand out to a greater degree. Thus, an N's sensotardery and over-abstraction is more likely to be picked up upon and criticised.

    The article did promote a focus upon both strengths and weaknesses for both types, for which it should be praised. However, there were multiple hints to weaknesses that the author believes Ns to hold which seem in addition to known MBTI theory rather than being supported by it. The general picture painted of the intuitive in the article is someone good at abstraction, but ultimately impotent due to a lack of "action". From this I suppose the author is equating the common N trope of being greatly concerned with the theoretical and abstract (likely true?) with the idea that N's are not interested or able enough to bring this abstraction to bear on the real world through action. The author's idea is summarized in the final line of his piece when he states the N will "[wake] up to the uncomfortable realization that he has spent years doing… nothing!"

    The obviously gross generalising assumption of this central idea really took away from what could have been an argument for fair treatment and respect for both sides. Instead, this is a piece of bias pro-S work just the same as any piece of pro-N work we can find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    You want a good stab at descriptions the downsides of intuitive types? Take a look at the Socionics type descriptions.
    I dont think that either mbti or socionics descriptions will make you happy. Eventually you'll need to build your own system with the instruments at hand the one you can work with. I often experienced with people that they like the new. So when the mbti descriptions had grown boring they went over to socionics until they have grown boring and then they eventually criticized the whole system. I often experienced this career of people on the forum and it somehow tells me that the major thing one is supposed to do, namely dealing with oneself alone is the one missed the most.



    It's shadow Se. Or something. Who knows? I lost track of how people try to explain things like that using the theory.
    Which continues here: the claim is that the system makes sense so I can trust it to tell me the rules. But it will never, not socionics nor mbti, socionics on the contrary, it overcomplicates the system even more. Tho it brings some good new ideas which one can incorporate into ones own thoughts to get new ideas on how to look at the world or how to express certain things, it should be only used as an idea generator. The real system you have to invent for yourself, cause since we are all people with subjective viewports on the world, there will be never an objective answer.
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    is ni more connected to reality? is it intuition based on what could or will happen with what is rather than the "what" is happening and why and what it means?
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    An intuitive broker will be always connected more to reality than an intuitive theorethical physicist.

    It is impossible to stereotype and generalize
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    well since i don't actually happen to know anyone with such occupations...i was just comparing the regular style infj people and enfp/infp people i know and they're definitely more aware of their surroundings however off they may be at times about their interpretation of the reality they see.
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    hahaha, I am fairly skilled at implementing things... I could give my ESFJ dad a run for his money. I unintentionally bulldoze people with my constant troubleshooting mode...oops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    well since i don't actually happen to know anyone with such occupations...i was just comparing the regular style infj people and enfp/infp people i know and they're definitely more aware of their surroundings however off they may be at times about their interpretation of the reality they see.
    I tell you it's wrong to look at i.e. infps as a collective. You have to treat every single human being as a sole case or you'll never completly understand them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    For years I have been wanting to find some good Sensate criticisms of iNtuitives. But I never really have. Here we have, for the first time, to my knowledge, a good critique from an obviously intelligent Sensate. Please take a look:
    Lol -- wait, don't you own this web site? Who wrote this? You or Eco? (Referencing TypologyCentral in the middle is a clincher.)

    I think the descriptions and criticisms were generally justified... although, being an N, I still don't waste a lot of time here typing celebrities, I think it's generally a pointless pursuit. (Which makes the criticism in this essay posted on CelebrityTypes about celebrity typing being a waste of time even more ironic.) And, of course, the article was more of a predictable dig on N's, especially the closing, rather than a "balanced" article, which kind of turned me off... but whatever.
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