With Dana's permission, I'm posting a PM conversation we had:
I personally believe that black/Latino intuitives seem more sensate compared to white intuitives due to historical reasons and present realities. I also notice that black introverts aren't as stereotypically introverted as white introverts. I have an article from CAPT that breaks the American population MBTI type down by race and gender. Black people were overwhelmingly ISTJ regardless of sex. But I don't believe that's true type, I think that it's a learned cultural type. I'm not entirely sure of the mechanics of it, but it doesn't seem reflective of what I encounter on daily basis.Originally Posted by DanaGo ahead!Originally Posted by proteanmixI think you're right...would you mind if I posted this PM conversation to get the thread started?Originally Posted by DanaYes.. I definitely don't consider myself extremely introspective and analytical (or head-in-the-clouds), which is pretty much what is valued around here, but I don't care. I don't think being an intellectual is better than being laid back, real, and entertaining, so I'm trying to be true to what I appreciate in others, and I've stopped beating myself up about not being very Ti or Ni.. As for the cultural differences--I really enjoy being realistic, whereas a lot of people are so busy trying to be "understanding" that they don't even acknowledge cultural differences! They don't even want to talk about them! What an interesting thread that would make (black/white culture.. an objective side by side analysis). We kind of tip-toe around heavy topics here because MBTIc has a bit of a thinner skin than INTPc or my other favorite forum. MBTI is dangerous, because it allows for the dismissal of other types, and it creates a sort of ingroup/outgroup, elitist society. I think you should definitely voice your opinion on how a black intuitive would be different from a white intuitive. It would make a very insightful thread. And yeh, I'm not flighty or head in teh clouds.. some people wear their introversion/aversion to socialising/lack of social skills as a badge.. look how INxx I am! No one "gets" me! I'm unique and elusive! Rgh. I very much am proud of my social skills.. it took WORK to aquire them, and genuine interest in others, and attuning myself to their emotions and moods.. One of the reasons I'm proud to be an extravert. It's great to be people-oriented.Originally Posted by proteanmixThe jig is up! Dana, you are so well-liked. I think your deleting of posts was the most endearing thing you could've done.Originally Posted by DanaWell, in my blog I was doing a lot of questioning of my type..Originally Posted by proteanmixOriginally Posted by DanaI am certain.
I've been looking for a way to use that!
When do you realize The Truth About Yourself?
I knew I was an NP, and it never occurred to me that I was an extravert, so I felt like I had to choose between INTP and INFP. I kept flip flopping, but I just didn't feel like an INFP, what with their timid, introspective selves.. When I discovered my enneagram type (3) from doing actual book-reading and investigation rather than tests, it correlated the 3 with the ENTP. So I read about the ENTP, and the description jived much better with me (dom Ne), but it still didn't fit.. finally, I decided to read about the ENFP, just to give it a try.. and sure enough, it was the perfect fit. I can say with full confidence that I use those functions in that order (Ne Fi Te Si) and I'm glad I finally feel like I can identify with a type. I said in my blog, reading about the ENFP was like reading my biography.
Anyway.. what type do you think you are? Are you happily perched upon the fence of the information-gathering preference?
What type am I? I feel fairly confident that I'm an ENFJ or at least EnFJ. I occasionally experience doubt of my type because I'm more grounded in reality than most people around here, I'm not flighty or head in the clouds, and I have good social skills. Yeah, I know that totally sounds like a sensate description.
What I think makes me different from other intuitives on the forum is cultural differences. As much as people shy away from race around here, I think being a black intuitive just makes me different from a white intuitive because culturally it's ingrained in me to have my "ear to the ground" and be more realistic than white intuitives. I'm a very solid person and have never conceptualized myself as airy. When I look at the world, it's not from an Si POV, it's very much Ni. I've been trying to figure out how to distinguish Si from Ni and figure out which one I use. I just notice that I don't view things the same way as the ESFJs around me. I don't know how strongly Ni I am and I hope I'm not mentally masturbating myself into thinking I'm intuitive. When I read the ESFJ description, I identify with large portions of it. When I read the ENFJ description, I identify with large portions of it. But when I break myself down functionally, I'm Fe Ni Se Ti. Which is why I could wipe my ass with type descriptions. ENFJs sound like gods. ESFJs sound like perfect nurturing mothers. I identify with neither.
I don't know Dana, this MBTI stuff is such bullshit. I've had to untrain myself about so much of it and not believe the hype.
Thanks for the compliment.. It means a lot on this sunny Saturday afternoon.
What do people think?