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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    But a "real" wiki would also be cool if it's not too much trouble to assemble.
    It's really not too hard.

    Ideally, it'd have "objective"/"sacrosanct" descriptions of types, descriptions of types from the perspective of people of those types, function descriptions, descriptions of the different models in use (including the simple four-dichotomy model), etc.

    So yeah, let's split this off into a separate thread and do it already!

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    Ok, I made a page for each type, if I remembered them all. Surprisingly, all were free except intp, which was already made but the page is blank so hopefully we can edit it. If not we can make a new page.

    I made them all "protected" so you have to be a wiki-whatever member to contribute. I think (hope) that means you just have to sign up (for free), and I'm not sure if it tracks the people who've contributed. If not, let me know and I'll figure something out....

    The page location is type.wikispaces.com ex istp.wikispaces.com.

    Feel free to start contributing now if you like. We can sort out organization etc later. I think it would be best if we stick to describing our own type at least for now, for the best accuracy (in theory). If you'd like to share info on other types, that's fine, but I ask that you put it under a heading like "as seen by others" or something, so we can keep the sources of the information separate.

    I'll also start some threads at some point to gather info and will add that info to the wiki.

    Maybe if it doesn't track contributing members, add your username at the bottom of the page somewhere, so we'll know who's contributed? Like "last updated by randomnity March 4/2011 1pm" or something?

    edit: looks like it does keep track of who contributed! cool.
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I dont think this is the right way to thank orangey for pointing out an obvious flaw by unloading all the work onto his shoulders. The people who did the mbti should work on that. Or maybe this community should, we at least should have the best ideas for it
    You kind of missed my point: If the problem is that N's write biased descriptions, then we need S's to pick up the slack rather than just bitching about the bad descriptions. The reason it never gets fixed (if there's a fix to be made) is because there are many complaints but no one investing in a solution they approve of.

    Of course it makes more sense for the community to do so, it's a bit much for just one person.
    So I'm glad R started this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    And every single SJ type description that tries to be humorous mentions a lack of creativity. Which is sad because we can have very inspired Ne moments from time to time.
    I'm actually more a supporter of type perspectives, rather than "Ne" moments or "Se" moments. I think the idea of "perspective" permeates an entire engagement of life no matter what type we are, and we all cry, we all laugh, we're all conventional, we're all unconventional at times.

    Personally, I don't think the issue is that S descriptions are bad (although they can be); I think it's that N descriptions are over-inflated. They make NFJs look like they have mystical powers, they make NTJs look like they are destined to rule the world, they make NTPs look like the only people capable of innovation, and they make NFPs look like figures of unsurpassed artistic brilliance which none but themselves can understand. Whereas, SPs and SJs look like... normal people.
    Well, I can only critique the example I saw; and any set of type descriptions (where the only point is to separate and distinguish) automatically tries to accentuate the differences in order to be as distinctive as possible. But then you're only see extremes of a type, rather than as a type naturally and realistically will manifest in daily life. And in daily life, we are all very human and more alike than different that way. I don't see those type descriptions as typically manifesting themselves tangibly.

    I agree that it would be better to just write up a better description. But I don't know other types as well as I know myself, and what's really needed is an N (or two, or three) who can write type descriptions in a less egotistical fashion.
    What? You're gonna trust us with this after all?

    I'm always willing to help polish something, if need be.
    If there is an inequity in the type descriptions, then I want it balanced out and fixed.
    But I think it would be good for self-designated S's to take the lead.
    Pretty much any type profiles I can think of have been written by N's, and we don't need more of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    You kind of missed my point: If the problem is that N's write biased descriptions, then we need S's to pick up the slack rather than just bitching about the bad descriptions. The reason it never gets fixed (if there's a fix to be made) is because there are many complaints but no one investing in a solution they approve of.
    Yes, of course it's the fault of sensors everywhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Of course it makes more sense for the community to do so, it's a bit much for just one person.
    So I'm glad R started this thread.
    It IS a cool project, despite your...annoyingness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I'm actually more a supporter of type perspectives, rather than "Ne" moments or "Se" moments. I think the idea of "perspective" permeates an entire engagement of life no matter what type we are, and we all cry, we all laugh, we're all conventional, we're all unconventional at times.
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Well, I can only critique the example I saw; and any set of type descriptions (where the only point is to separate and distinguish) automatically tries to accentuate the differences in order to be as distinctive as possible. But then you're only see extremes of a type, rather than as a type naturally and realistically will manifest in daily life. And in daily life, we are all very human and more alike than different that way. I don't see those type descriptions as typically manifesting themselves tangibly.
    That's soooo far from the explaining or even touching on what she said in that quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    What? You're gonna trust us with this after all?

    I'm always willing to help polish something, if need be.
    If there is an inequity in the type descriptions, then I want it balanced out and fixed.
    But I think it would be good for self-designated S's to take the lead.
    Pretty much any type profiles I can think of have been written by N's, and we don't need more of them.
    I'll be more specific and say that we don't need more self-proclaimed Ns to write descriptions that serve to glorify themselves because they've over-invested their identity in the perceived worth of their type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Yes, of course it's the fault of sensors everywhere.
    Yes. It is. Stop moaning and provide product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    The page location is type.wikispaces.com ex istp.wikispace.com.
    thanks for getting the ball rolling on this

    Is each account a separate page? It'd be nice if we could set up an entire wiki rather than one account per type. That'd open us up to have pages on, say, the functions as well.

    Something along the lines of a typology wikia?


    If nothing else, I'll throw some wiki software on a server and host it myself. Or TypoC can. You know, whichever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Yes. It is. Stop moaning and provide product.
    Shut up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    thanks for getting the ball rolling on this

    Is each account a separate page? It'd be nice if we could set up an entire wiki rather than one account per type. That'd open us up to have pages on, say, the functions as well.

    Something along the lines of a typology wikia?


    If nothing else, I'll throw some wiki software on a server and host it myself. Or TypoC can. You know, whichever.
    Go for it! It'd be a nice complement to this to have an overall view, for sure.

    I thought having a separate page for each type would help make it easier to read, especially if it gets long! I like the idea of an "overall" or individual function page too, though. If you're up to the task by all means.
    -end of thread-

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    If I'm understanding correctly, you have to be a member of the wiki to contribute, so anyone who wants to add stuff, sign up (for free) on the wikispaces site and tell me your wikispaces username, and I'll add you as a member to the wiki so you can edit it.

    Absolutely everyone is welcome to contribute to your type description.

    ...is the intp page run by anyone here, by any chance? It does seem to be public, anyway. It seems to have been created in 2008 by "gust 0261" and never touched, so a hijacking is in order!

    edit: I think I have to invite members to each wiki page separately, so if you have a burning desire to add to other types' descriptions let me know when you ask to be added, otherwise I'll default to adding you to your own type page only out of sheer laziness economy of effort. Of course I can always add you to other ones in the future, just let me know.

    To that end, please tell me your type when I add you so I know which one to put you in. Please only contribute if you're fairly sure of your type, to increase the descriptions' accuracy (let's say 90% confident for a completely arbitrary number).
    -end of thread-

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