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    What I meant was that I don't think there are many Sensors going "oh, I'm such a misfit". I think the I'm-such-a-misfit brigade is more likely to be Intuitives who feel a bit that way already and then exaggerate it to be a bit more special...

    But I don't really know whre I'm going with this...
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    yea, the whole discussion is a bit pointless. Mbti is like one of those tests in which you can determine if you are a fighter, a mage or a priest. It's nice to have something seemingly in common then later in a group of priests, but truly spoken the priest type is only the entry ticket to get close to strangers and to talk to them. It's like the non-smoking course I am doing with my gf atm, we hang out with people there, we otherwise would have never met in our life. But a shared experience made us friends.

    I am with you that the fact N types are rather into thinking they are misfits aswell. The problem with mbti is that this Intuitive function is like magic, it's nothing you really understand yet you want to have it. Before I joined this forum, I was thinking to myself if it would be the better strategy to sign up as a S - type because that probably would make me more special and people would talk more easily to me and be intrested in me. But there's one thing in my life which alienated me from people all my life and that is my way of cluttered speaking. People need to ask what I mean several times in a discussion and I very very rarely have the feeling that a person I am talking to really gets the full meaning of what I've said. This made me curious if this could be what the guys who made the test meant with N.

    Well after all this time now I think it's safe to say that I made a lot of friends thru mbti and I dont want to miss that. I still think that I am differently but not necessarily because of something called N, but because I have a very unstructured mind and am intrested in a billion of different things. Yet I have found my peace with society thru mbti and nowadays dont feel towards everyone I meet like I am a superior N force no more . I've come to value the views of others who think differently than me.

    Where is this post going ? Well I think mbti can cure your soul. But if you really think people are made of mbti like they are of atoms, you'll loose. It is and never will be real psychology
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    I wouldn't be surprised if there were a couple just by chance/inherent flaws in typing, although given the rarity of Ss here (less rare now, but still a small minority) and the fairly obvious N-bias on most online tests ("do you consider yourself down-to-earth or intelligent?" ), I doubt it would ever be "most" Ss. N bias on the forum may play a role but it's a pale shadow of what it used to be, so I doubt it's a big factor now. Like I posted in the other thread, if many people are close to the middle ground on mbti traits, you'll have many "mistypes", "unsures", or people going back and forth, but it won't really matter all that much. S/N (or the other traits) is hardly an insurmountable difference of alien cultures.

    I admit I'm repulsed by the "special snowflake" attitude, but I also was back when I thought I was INTP way back on intpc, too - I didn't think it was a required attitude for Ns (still don't).
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Where is this post going ? Well I think mbti can cure your soul. But if you really think people are made of mbti like they are of atoms, you'll loose. It is and never will be real psychology
    You think it can cure your soul and yet it's not real psychology? I think I know what you mean, though. It is pop psychology. But I still like it. And I think it has helped me with some things. Let's be honest, occasionally I rejoice a bit in that "I am in a special INFJ club" feeling. But...not most of the time. I am no longer as interested as I used to be in being special/different/a misfit/all alooooone. I outgrew that some time ago (before I learned about MBTI).

    Whether or not it's highly accurate and scientific, I think learning about the 16 types helped me to quantify the fact that not everyone is like me, but kind of hiding it just to fit in. Because it's easy to go through life thinking that. It's like, no, most people ARE significantly different from me. But maybe this bit of pop psychology can help me relate to them better, even if it's by understanding that they think and communicate differently from me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    You think it can cure your soul and yet it's not real psychology? I think I know what you mean, though. It is pop psychology. But I still like it. And I think it has helped me with some things. Let's be honest, occasionally I rejoice a bit in that "I am in a special INFJ club" feeling. But...not most of the time. I am no longer as interested as I used to be in being special/different/a misfit/all alooooone. I outgrew that some time ago (before I learned about MBTI).

    Whether or not it's highly accurate and scientific, I think learning about the 16 types helped me to quantify the fact that not everyone is like me, but kind of hiding it just to fit in. Because it's easy to go through life thinking that. It's like, no, most people ARE significantly different from me. But maybe this bit of pop psychology can help me relate to them better, even if it's by understanding that they think and communicate differently from me.
    Yea I have to clarify that a bit: I am generally an enemy of psychology or any other pseudo-science of that sort. I can accept psychology that says "because of a factual imbalance of neurotransmitters he feels sad", but psychology that talks about "father complexes" or the "über-ego" is something I handle with care. It is like you said, a good description for pßhaenomena you may witness within other people, but it's not really the sole key to understanding the world.

    The same it is with mbti, you can describe a thing or people to someone with it and enrich his thoughts with new ideas about society, but in the end it's still describing the color blue to a blind man, cause men just will never be described that scientifically correct that you can say: we are finally at the end and have a science we'll call psychology.

    Disregardless of that I agree with you and that's why I said "it can cure your soul", like real psychology maybe could aswell. It's nothing tho that can ease your mind on the quest to find a truth
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I think people who "need" to feel like misfits are more likely to be those who have a slight tendency to be misfits anyway...then they exaggerate it to feel special.
    Some people really are misfits.... and maybe they decide to embrace it and emphasize it as a means of empowerment (not to feel special). And yes, I am talking about myself.

    Seriously, I felt like a misfit for much of my life...still do some of the time, though less so in recent years. It is NOT one of my preferred experiences and I'm not sure why anyone would choose it!
    Same here.... but since I don't have a choice in the matter (I spent wasted a lot of time when I was younger trying to change in order to fit in better) I choose to embrace it and feel pride in it rather than let it bring me down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    I admit I'm repulsed by the "special snowflake" attitude, but I also was back when I thought I was INTP way back on intpc, too - I didn't think it was a required attitude for Ns (still don't).
    i really don't like it either. we're all misfits in some ways, and to isolate oneself as a misfit is just to put oneself above everyone else as a means of coping, playing the victim while you really elevate yourself...

    (edit - not aimed at you, aquarelle. i understand the need to reinterpret difference as empowering )


    i think Ns are inherently a little more "removed" because our thought process is very jumpy - the way i understand it, we sacrifice (not consciously, of course) attention on what actually is, in exchange for an enhanced ability to manipulate ideas. i hope that doesn't come off as N-biased, because it definitely isn't - in some ways Ns forsake reality, which is a huge disadvantage. i mean i essentially just said that Ns exchange reality for the ability to delude ourselves. i think that's what is meant by N "abstract" thinking - we don't necessarily pay attention to what is actual. and maybe that can lead to a feeling of being a misfit, because our thought process inherently separates us from the world we are a part of. it's really actually quite unpleasant sometimes - i know i mentioned this is another thread, but i love yoga because it makes Ne shut the hell up and helps me pay attention to being and the beautiful, tangible world.

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    Maybe it points to the possibility that N/S is a false dichotomy. We all use both, and switch back and forth effortlessly.
    I'm not say that there isn't a difference in the way people see and understand the world, but N/S doesn't define those differences well enough to be useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    ("do you consider yourself down-to-earth or intelligent?" ),
    yes I hate that question, because I don't really consider myself either one and I know people who are both.
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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