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    I was more responding to Aelan's quote of "I'm not special." And I automatically thought of a Fight Club quote.

    But at least let us continue to live the illusion that we're special and better than everyone else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Given the subtext of this thread, Palahniuk quotes seems altogether (in)appropriate.
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    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    What is wrong with statistics?
    It is dependent of the field.

    Field dependence dictates an answer.
    An answer?

    An echo.
    How to lie with statistics:
    Use poor experimental design.

    State that post hoc ergo propter hoc

    Use the fallacy of accident or converse accident.

    Use Adhoc hypothesizing to assert the existence of a statistical entity.

    Use amphiboly to equate a common concept to asserted statistical entity.

    Accept the past. Live for the present. Look forward to the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    What is wrong with statistics?
    It is dependent of the field.

    Field dependence dictates an answer.
    An answer?

    An echo.
    I disagree. In my opinion, what is really wrong with statistics is that it doesn't depend on anything, except what you want to prove. It can be something totally out of the field, totally irrelevant, though statistics tries to draw persuasive correlation where there is little or none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    But at least let us continue to live the illusion that we're special and better than everyone else!
    Works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfinchilde View Post
    An echo, because that is the response inherently sought.
    Field dependence is dictated, subconsciously or not, by the mind(s) that chose that field.
    Hence statistical tests are merely conceits to justify the nebulous subconscious into the concrete conscious.

    i.e., the answer was a given from the start.

    It merely required affirmation.
    Stretch it further: affirmation was required due to fear.
    Mostly. (this is my escape clause. hehe)

    Ryunosuke Akutagawa's In a Grove.
    We choose the field, we choose the statistics, we chose the answer first of all.
    Affirmation was required due to fear.
    There we have the motive. The motive to most things.

    The less sure we are, the more we need affirmation.
    Do people see what is objectively there?
    They see what is in their head.

    You see it in the court. In the procedure of the trial.
    Witnesses in their little boxes.
    They tell the tale.

    Did you see mr Burroughs in your garden last night?
    -Yes.
    *points towards mr Burroughs*
    - It was this man?
    - Yes.

    A court procedure has an astounding resemblance to statistics.

    In the way how it is used.
    To befuddle.

    People see what is in their head.
    The organ of sight is the mind.
    I have not read In a Grove. It must have been a great story.
    Ryunosuke Akutagawa told the truth. We chose the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAVO View Post
    Different hammers for different trades.
    The 17th Century was a great time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aelan View Post
    So the rarity of Ns, are merely a projection of our wish to be rare. The prevalence of Ss, for e.g. are merely because we're dependent on them, to define us. If the curve is intrinsically raised to qualify as an N, statistically, there'd be fewer. This is our echo to be unique, not the true answer of the existence and rarity of each type.

    Same with E/I, T/F, P/J.

    So the MBTI is merely a projection and construction of our desire to be unique?

    The same way the shadow defines the person. 2 types in each person, means for e.g. the INFJ is not as rare as believed to be. All ESTPs could be said to be INFJs too?

    So we could fold the wheel into half, literally? 8 types.

    Corresponding to 8 functions.

    We can reduce the wheel to 1 then.

    i.e. no type is rare. We're all the same type. It is just in what order.

    I'm not special!!!
    You are special.

    The other day I dropped in a shop.
    The female assistant there refused to serve me. She pretended she did not see me.
    The other assistant had a client.
    I waited patiently for the other assistant to serve his client.
    The moment he turned his attention to me the female assistant turned her attention to the woman who was standing behind me.
    She became suddenly aware of her surroundings.

    Why she had to play her little game?

    Because I am special, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    You are special.

    The other day I dropped in a shop.
    The female assistant there refused to serve me. She pretended she did not see me.
    The other assistant had a client.
    I waited patiently for the other assistant to serve his client.
    The moment he turned his attention to me the female assistant turned her attention to the woman who was standing behind me.
    She became suddenly aware of her surroundings.

    Why she had to play her little game?

    Because I am special, too.
    *blinks* Bad assistant! *yells at her for wildcat*

    I've always looked at "special" and "unique" as being good things... But now that you've mentioned it, there's a dark side to that as well. No matter! We take the good and the bad. I like special...

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    one of the things I've learned in every statistics class I've taken, whether poli sci stats, psych stats or even bio stats ( WHY?!?) is that the statistic is there for us to warp and use to prove that we are right

    as Mark Twain said "there are 3 types of lies, lies, damned lies and statistics"

    almost anything can be looked at from the right perspective to say what you want for it to- census results, exit polls or the MBTI
    I say you have been to many classes.
    I took only one statistics class, in math. I did not pass. I remember the math teacher was upset. She could not understand.
    I could not understand either. Statistics, that is.

    Perspective is dependent on the horizon. Literally, the horizon blocks the view. That is why you do not see the circle of the rainbow on the ground.
    The old masters of painting used the perspective to hide things.

    Mark Twain was an observant chap. Letters from the Earth was a great book.

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