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    I have read an article about the four temperaments using their hands differently while speaking. Like SJ's make chopping movements and NT's make claws. Does this ring a bell to anyone? I would like to find that article again.

    As an NT, I recognize the "claw". What about the other tempraments. What do you do?
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    I use my hands A LOT when I speak, which is why I'm usually using a headset while on the phone (so I can pace and wave my hands )

    I use them to illustrate what I'm saying, like what size something is or what I intend to do to something? I don't know how to describe my hand motions while speaking I've been known to accidentally smack people sitting or standing next to me while making a dramatic sweep with my arm before, and I'll occasionally hit the table or desk in front of me and wave my arms in a somewhat cartoonish manner when really angry *shrug* I get good exercize by speaking!
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    In anthro, using your hands to express what you're saying is called "batoning." Batoning mirrors your language and thoughts. So it would make sense that those who think in certain ways would show some baton gestures more than others.

    Hm... it might be a really cool way to classify people, as opposed to type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    Hm... it might be a really cool way to classify people, as opposed to type.
    Claw-talkers would still create internet forums to discuss their mutual hatred of chop-talkers, I'm afraid.
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    I have heard people from different places using their hands differently - meaning from English/German descent using lower held hand gestures while Mediterranean descendants using higher up hand gestures when talking - not sure if it hold water, though.

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    I have ruddy checks and tend to gesticulate often when I speak.

    I suspect I've the expressive signature of an ENT/Fx to most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 563 740 View Post
    Claw-talkers would still create internet forums to discuss their mutual hatred of chop-talkers, I'm afraid.
    That sounds like chop-talker talk to me.

    *looks to the side*

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    That sounds like chop-talker talk to me.

    *looks to the side*

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebyte View Post
    I have heard people from different places using their hands differently - meaning from English/German descent using lower held hand gestures while Mediterranean descendants using higher up hand gestures when talking - not sure if it hold water, though.
    True. This is not what I am referring to, though. It is not about how many gestures they make or how outspoken it is but about what they do with their hands. If I remember well, one of the temperaments tends to often making a fist (SP's?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mippus View Post
    I have read an article about the four temperaments using their hands differently while speaking. Like SJ's make chopping movements and NT's make claws. Does this ring a bell to anyone? I would like to find that article again.

    As an NT, I recognize the "claw". What about the other tempraments. What do you do?
    It seem possible. The "claw" is more like holding/grasping something imaginary in my hands-- perhaps the concept I'm thinking about, or something.

    In one of the Understand Yourself and Others series books, I remember mention of body language and interaction styles. If I remember correctly, Directive types to use more commanding body language while Informative types more effusive body language.

    In NLP,
    Visual thinking is indicated by visual language ("I see"), eyes looking upwards, shallow breath hunched shoulders and high pitch/nasal voice.

    Auditory thinking is indicated by auditory language ("I hear you"), eyes looking side to side, "saxaphoning" posture or undulation, easy breathing, and a sing-song voice.

    Kinesthetic thinking is indicated by kinesthetic language ("I feel you"), eyes looking downward, deep breathing or lots of movement, and a low-pitched voice.

    Is your source online? I would be interested in reading more. For example, what about SPs and NFs?

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    I can list a few things that I do here...

    One thing I do frequently is put my right finger on my chin and either look up and to my left for a moment, or look at the person in front of me and nod slightly. Sometimes this is accompanied by me holding out my left hand to the side and moving my left index finger up and down, especially if I'm trying decide what action to take or remember how to get somewhere. Once I've decided, I put my right hand down, and point that left finger straight up for a second before acting.

    I've also noticed that if I'm thinking about saying something, I'll tend to put my right index finger on my lower lip, and then as soon as I start to speak my right index finger usually points towards the person or people I'm talking to for a second, and then as I speak, I show my hand with the palm open as though I were giving them something, and then tend to flex my fingers slightly as if I were accepting something if they respond with something I agree with or understand. But if I disagree or don't understand, I usually wince a bit, turn my palm down, open my mouth slightly, put my left index finger on my lip and begin flexing my right index and right ring finger up and down a few times while gazing upward. And then when I say something else, I usually offer my right hand again, but this time my fingers are usually shaped as if I were holding a ball rather than simply being offered flat. If they respond in a way I understand this time, I usually put my right index finger on my lip again, with my left hand touching just below my neck and above my chest, and I nod before returning to the initial style with a flat hand.

    Note that I don't do any of this consciously, but I remember them because those are the most common. I've noticed that I do others like these less often, but I can't recall them at the moment. One other thing I've noticed is that people who don't speak English as well can usually understand me better if I have both hands free, and can let myself do these things.

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