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    Quote Originally Posted by saslou View Post
    OK .. I can so see that i am trying to resolve this conflict now ...

    There must be one thing an INTJ/ENTJ is good at?????







    Something, anything? .. Me neither ... Never mind, lets dance
    Perceived insensitivity is indeed not a criterion that has the power to override what I consider needs to be said, so:

    Time to take your bitterness elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    Perceived insensitivity is indeed not a criterion that has the power to override what I consider needs to be said, so:

    Time to take your bitterness elsewhere.
    WFT?????

    Sorry you perceived me to be insensitive .. I was just having a joke, make it more light hearted, if you are unable to see my humour, then so be it.
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    Thank you Antisocial for that .. Wow, That was a tad to close to home. I feel like someone is sitting on my chest.

    I think that something must be said before I get to my point.
    People with P usually say that they must be flexible and that everything would be lost without that. And they see people with high J as short sided idiots. That can be true in case when you have high S and you are very J. But if you have strong N and strong T strong J can be controlled by those two and become very useful.
    In case that this is not true ENTJ and INTJ would never be what they are.


    Here is how NTJ is thinking.

    Instead to prepare for bad scenarios and living in fear they create plans to get an advantage in their life. After that when they get to place where they want to be they use their good position to get even better position.
    While P just waits his big problem and hopes that he/she will be ready.
    But he will probably lose because he/she stayed at first level where you are most vulnerable which is because you have small amount of options and there is no place to flee.
    Once you get to higher position and have 10 000$ per month many basic problems will not even be coming your way.



    What this means in real life?

    It means that if you stash too many things which could help you in some situations the only thing that is likely is that you will not be able to find them among all those things, at least not in advised time period and you will lose large amount of time on cleaning and repairing those things.


    How to organize?
    Put things that you need in places where you can easily grab them.
    Things which you need less put somewhere where they will be out of the way for everyday operations.
    Things you probably will not need soon can be thrown in garbage because if you are going to need them one day they will be broken or obsolete.
    Make sure that all things have their own place and that you put them in that place after use.


    On the big picture you must determine what you want from life. After you do that try to find best way to get there. Also having a master plan for your life is really not that bad because if you have it you will have standard by which you can judge things. (science and philosophy are exceptions)
    For example you must see what jobs you can do whit your education which leads to question "Is this level of education enough for me".
    But I dont have any data here so I cant help you much in this part.


    I see you are strong in verbal intelligence my advice is to use it whenever you can get something from it.
    For example I am so J that I plan my conversations. When I know that I will have to argue I scan my database about any information about my enemy and what things he/she will likely to support and what are the flaws of that thing or process.
    Also you could create list of 15-20 simple jokes and learn them for cases when you feel stuck in social situation.
    I also make list of things/facts I want to say to other person and then try to mention them in conversation (this can help you a lot in life).


    Dont hesitate to write facts and information if they are complex.
    Try to be aware of others peoples goals, hopes and fears.
    If you work in the place where you can be easily accused for something try to see it coming and prepare your defense. By this I mean write it on the paper and try to learn as much facts from it as you can. But try to be short because your point must be represented in small amount of time. And if you know topic well you can turn accusation against the accuser who could be caught by surprise with your actions.
    Dont be too nice because people will start to use you in many ways. And there is good chance that INFP can be too friendly in working environment.
    Dont be too defensive when you know that you are wrong.
    Try to be right hand of your boss. By doing this you will probably be first candidate for the promotion and that is what you want.

    Also when you start to think this way any job will be much more interesting. Because tensions will be higher what means more excitement.

    I know that this advices from INFP perspective can be summarized as become an Antichrist but this is exactly what you want.



    Strong intrapersonal intelligence can help you a lot to realize what you can and what you cant do. This is possibly your greatest strength.



    What many people dont realize is that there is entire spectrum of small things that can make a HUGE difference.

    Having proper body mass is just one of the factors but it is very important in business environment because it dictates how others see you.
    But even more important is that you cant have a good sleep if you are above 20% of your ideal body mass. When you sleep make sure that bed is not too soft.
    If it is too soft your back will hurt and you will not be fresh in the morning what can be fatal in many ways.

    Dont be an addict of any legal things that stimulate your senses.
    For example I dont drink coffee at all and I dont use any pills unless I am sick.
    Human body has chemical composition and every time you add something like this you are destroying the balance in your body.
    And that can reduce many things (like mental ability) through the rest of the day/life.
    I dont use any of those things but I have more energy and stronger mental abilities then people around me and I think it is just because I avoid those things.
    Plus it will save you much time, much money, time you need to buy them and prepare them and time to wash the dishes after coffee.
    All of this can take about 1h per day for an average person.
    But if you multiply that by 365 you will get 2 weeks of totally free time!!!!
    Congratulations, you have just bought yourself time to rest for real during the day and to make your future plans. Same works for smoking, alcohol, drugs/pills.
    Try to use same way of thinking about many small things in your life and suddenly you will have a lot of free time.


    It is very important to have 3 major meals and 2 minor meals during the day. This will cover your hunger over the day.
    Ideal is about 5% sweets , 25% proteins , 30% fruit and vegetables , 40% bread , pasta
    What people dont get is that their body is chemical factory which cant work properly if raw materials that come in, suck.
    This sounds funny but stuff like this could be just what you need to get advantage over others (read: be more productive).
    In case you know that ahead of you is situation that needs quick thinking like
    exam or meeting try to eat some small amount of meat or cheese before it because that will wake you up.

    And dont think like this you can do it, you can do it .
    What you need is Just do it and continue to next task.

    I would advise you to find someone for playing games like chess, risk and monopoly because that will boost your thinking and ability to make plans. Plus you will get used to offense as a way of thinking.
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    WFT?????

    Sorry you perceived me to be insensitive .. I was just having a joke, make it more light hearted, if you are unable to see my humour, then so be it.
    I was calling myself potentially insensitive.

    Just re-read your reactions in this thread and put them in your context. Don't delude yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    I was calling myself insensitive.

    Just re-read your reactions in this thread and put them in your context. Don't delude yourself.
    lmao ... You have me all figured out don't you!!!

    I don't proclaim to know everything about life/myself etc .. It's all one big learning curve and i am taking little steps each day.
    “I made you take time to look at what I saw and when you took time to really notice my flower, you hung all your associations with flowers on my flower and you write about my flower as if I think and see what you think and see—and I don't.”
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    Things never go as planned.



    instruction books need more pictures also
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    Things never go as planned.



    instruction books need more pictures also
    If you have several plans, one is bound to work out. Or maybe a little piece of each of those plans does and then some grand plan has gone as planned.

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    You NTJs are odd with your "planning" processes, multiple plans for many possible outcomes. That's just an odd way of doing things for me, I usually just take things as they come to me. My plan is to have no plan, and then do the best possible thing in the moment. Your process seems efficient enough though.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    If you have several plans, one is bound to work out. Or maybe a little piece of each of those plans does and then some grand plan has gone as planned.
    Juggernaut, I love the way you think, I gotta say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    You NTJs are odd with your "planning" processes, multiple plans for many possible outcomes. That's just an odd way of doing things for me, I usually just take things as they come to me. My plan is to have no plan, and then do the best possible thing in the moment. Your process seems efficient enough though.
    I know it makes us look rigid, but for me it's the best way to ensure flexibility. When I look at something that I need, or want, to do I try to envision all the steps required in getting that thing done. As I'm doing this mental outline I try to anticipate all the places where problems/opportunities might arise along the way and plan for that. In the end I have a very large mental tree to work from that allows me to make adjustments as I go. That, to me, is the epitome of flexibility.

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