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    so far i've seen positive notes on intj's, very interesting..
    I'm very close with an entj and he's very friendly and warm when he wants to be but sometimes i notice he just has a different way of looking at things.
    Sometimes he would say things to ppl that would shock me and he finds nothing wrong with it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottaprettygal View Post
    But you see, that's the best part about being an INTJ. We don't even care whether other people like us or not.
    I do care - because it affects me.

    I don't seem to get it when I cross that line empathetically. Oblivious to what it is that hurts others and many times, especially when I was younger, that people were even hurting. I learned as I got older to detect when others hurt - most of the time - and at first I faked empathy - but its a lot more present these days.... In the words of Pinocchio - "I'm a real boy!!".

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    Thumbs up Where it belongs.

    Unless you're a robot or mentally disturbed, I would say that most people care about what their loved ones think of them.
    Time is a delicate mistress.

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    Because of their functions, INTJs, more than any other types, are probably masters at masking themselves with cold poker faces to protect their more sensitive side. Ni, which is never direct in communicating, and Te, which can manifest itself as blunt and seemingly aggressive, are the masks for the INTJ's tertiary Fi, which is their caring side. And their inferior Se makes the INTJ less confident in expressing themselves or acting directly, even though their Fi leads them to care. So with the Ni and Te combination, an insecure INTJ will appear sarcastic or passive-aggressive. Think of Mr. Darcy in Pride and Prejudice.

    Now with the ENTJ, the function orders are reversed. The ENTJ with its dominant will be more outgoing and more likely to put on an image of self-confidence directly in the environment, because tertiary Se comes a bit more naturally to them than the INTJ. Tertiary Se is probably the source of why less developed ENTJs project a fearful dictator-like image to others, because they are very protective of their vulnerable and underdeveloped Fi, which takes the inferior role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Because of their functions, INTJs, more than any other types, are probably masters at masking themselves with cold poker faces to protect their more sensitive side. Ni, which is never direct in communicating, and Te, which can manifest itself as blunt and seemingly aggressive, are the masks for the INTJ's tertiary Fi, which is their caring side. And their inferior Se makes the INTJ less confident in expressing themselves or acting directly, even though their Fi leads them to care. So with the Ni and Te combination, an insecure INTJ will appear sarcastic or passive-aggressive. Think of Mr. Darcy in Pride and Prejudice.

    Now with the ENTJ, the function orders are reversed. The ENTJ with its dominant will be more outgoing and more likely to put on an image of self-confidence directly in the environment, because tertiary Se comes a bit more naturally to them than the INTJ. Tertiary Se is probably the source of why less developed ENTJs project a fearful dictator-like image to others, because they are very protective of their vulnerable and underdeveloped Fi, which takes the inferior role.
    I think you care what others think. I've seen you pull back to appease others, usually NF's. Why else would you do that if you were a cold and callous robotic INTJ?
    Time is a delicate mistress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jen View Post
    I've noticed how people always seem to assume that INTJ/ENTJ's are heartless cold bastards and I'm here to say that's just not true! Now mind you I am talking about well adjusted NTJ's not mentally unstable ones.

    My husband is an INTJ and he's the nicest most decent, caring person I know. For example, when I used to smoke he would say within earshot of our children that if I didn't stop, I would die. Well each time I went outside to smoke I had to endure this speech of his. And when he wasn't home the kids were sure to tell me that they didn't want me to die as well. Well I'm not going to lie and say it didn't break my heart each time I heard this, so I quit and I am so thankful to my family for caring and loving me enough to nag me into quitting. An SFJ acquaintance of mine at the time was mortified when I told her this and didn't see the logic in what my Husband was doing. She and I no longer speak and the ironic thing was that her husband was dying of lung cancer from smoking and she and I quit at the same time. His unfortunate situation mixed with my husband and children is why I no longer smoke.

    Fictionally Dr. Cox on Scrubs isn't really a bad guy at all. He just has a different approach compared to an NF as in he doesn't beat around the bush. If I were ill I would want him as my Dr. hands down. Gordon Ramsey I believe is an ENTJ who I also don't think is as "mean" as some would say he is. If I were in jeopardy of losing my shirt I would totally want him to help save my restaurant. I think he really wants to help and if he makes money doing it, then so what? House has his issues, but I don't think he's all that bad either.

    If I were stranded on a deserted island or if our city were swarming with flesh eating zombies, I would so want an NTJ around otherwise that would be the end of me.

    I don't know many NTJ women and wonder if they are less emotional than their male counterparts? Who would be most likely to greet you with a hug and/or kiss?

    Any thoughts on the subject?
    Thank goodness SOMEbody likes us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Thank goodness SOMEbody likes us!
    I truly do. If would cross over completely if I could, but I'm sure others would disagree so I'll just have to stay borderline and get my feelings hurt from time time. *sigh*
    Time is a delicate mistress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jen View Post
    I think you care what others think. I've seen you pull back to appease others, usually NF's. Why else would you do that if you were a cold and callous robotic INTJ?
    Maybe because the INTJ has tertiary Fi that they can't control and are ashamed to have?

    (Or maybe I would get banned if I didn't?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Maybe because the INTJ has tertiary Fi?

    (Or maybe I would get banned if I didn't?)
    hehehehehe!

    Still, must mean you like it enough to behave yourself and not make the NF's cry so that you avoid being ousted. Anyway, somewhere in there is some Fi.
    Time is a delicate mistress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Maybe because the INTJ has tertiary Fi that they can't control and are ashamed to have?

    Like the Hulk's anger?

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