Randomness had some really awesome observations above!
*So, as i have heard described by a few ENTPs.....-this might be like an ENFJ giving an NTP a stern talking to about how inappropriate a behavior is. The NTP listens, then later spends time ruminating with Ti over how they need to think about the world differently since what they were doing before wasnt the right way to think about it...But they reforge Ti alone. They dont need to talk about the incorrect behavior to change it.
Originally Posted by skylights
*Or maybe two NFJs interacting where one makes an Fe point which alters the underlying Ti ideas of another???? (^^sorry these are both totally guesses given it isnt the way I think....)
*The alternate may be an INTJ trying to alter the values of another INTJ via pointing out flaws in their Te presentation. If the Te answer is incorrect, then obviously the underlying Fi values may not be quite right....
From an INTJ not on this forum, regarding another intj with some very scary values:
"Fi isn't often externalized because there's no expectation that others will respect it. Te on the other hand is "sturdy" so Fi, when expressed, is voiced through Te. If you want to see "externalized Fi" lurk in a heated debate. As the conversation heats up they'll display Fi. The catch is they're going to attempt to tangle it up with Te to protect the underlying belief.
Fi can drive Ni+Te, it's just done in a roundabout manner. When this is done Ni+Te is applied to influence the outside world in a manner consistent with their Fi. Feedback goes the other direction as well, experiences processed by Ni and Te can reshape Fi but this process is very slow.
By sharing such an abnormal internal system with a group we know that his mind is made up that this line of thought is acceptable. So instead of trying to use social pressure (common ethical standards) they make external appeals to address the problem (seek help, this path will destroy you)."
Pattern 3 is a very strange way to approach discussions for me-to the point I actually didnt think it possible. It feels kinda manipulative? However I bet if you take the INTJ above's quote and trade Te/Fi for Fe/Ti, you might see how INFJs influence others and are influenced....that same application of Je externally to modify Ji internally.
perhaps check out the INTJs in the "car" thread though. They are all defending FiSe values (love of shiny cars) with lots of Te data and arguments...oddly just like the INTJ above pointed out.