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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Neither. Baby Fi or Fe is more likely to drive people mad.
    This.. I agree.. it's not so much what the information is or where it comes from but rather what kind of assessment and value is placed on the information that causes breakdowns.
    If someone is too subjective, they are more likely to feel alienated and misunderstood.

    Typology statistics themselves, make this claim.
    It seems F doms who use intuition, are the most likely to be in therapy and to suffer from emotional breakdowns and anxiety attacks.
    I am sure I read in "Survival games Personalities Play" that as much as 70% of all people in therapy are NF's. I am sure I also read that SFPs make up the bulk of the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    that as much as 70% of all people in therapy are NF's
    This is possibly a combination of two things: NFs are more sensitive or anxious or imaginative (in a bad way) with their emo, but also that NFs are more likely to seek out therapy and seek to conquer themselves and help themselves. A lot of people avoid therapy like it's a Nazi torture camp, and have to be dragged to a shrink by their friends or family (or the cops) even if they're severely mentally ill.

    I'm guessing these people who have to be dragged (or who NEVER go and just go through life inflicting themselves and their issues on others) are more often SJs, NTs, and STPs?

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    I've landed in one, on a couple of occasions, and a few near misses, so i'd have to go with Ne.

    But, in there i definitely had both Ne and Ni around me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    This is possibly a combination of two things: NFs are more sensitive or anxious or imaginative (in a bad way) with their emo, but also that NFs are more likely to seek out therapy and seek to conquer themselves and help themselves. A lot of people avoid therapy like it's a Nazi torture camp, and have to be dragged to a shrink by their friends or family (or the cops) even if they're severely mentally ill.

    I'm guessing these people who have to be dragged (or who NEVER go and just go through life inflicting themselves and their issues on others) are more often SJs, NTs, and STPs?
    You are indeed correct.. I do not have my own copy of "Survival Games" at this time.. SO I contacted someone who does for clarification..

    It says that NF's are the most likely to "seek" therapy and that SFPs are the most likely to be "ordered" into therapy due to their breakdowns often consisting of delinquent and criminal behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    This.. I agree.. it's not so much what the information is or where it comes from but rather what kind of assessment and value is placed on the information that causes breakdowns.
    If someone is too subjective, they are more likely to feel alienated and misunderstood.

    Typology statistics themselves, make this claim.
    It seems F doms who use intuition, are the most likely to be in therapy and to suffer from emotional breakdowns and anxiety attacks.
    I am sure I read in "Survival games Personalities Play" that as much as 70% of all people in therapy are NF's. I am sure I also read that SFPs make up the bulk of the rest.
    I can definitely see that.

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    This is possibly a combination of two things: NFs are more sensitive or anxious or imaginative (in a bad way) with their emo, but also that NFs are more likely to seek out therapy and seek to conquer themselves and help themselves. A lot of people avoid therapy like it's a Nazi torture camp, and have to be dragged to a shrink by their friends or family (or the cops) even if they're severely mentally ill.

    I'm guessing these people who have to be dragged (or who NEVER go and just go through life inflicting themselves and their issues on others) are more often SJs, NTs, and STPs?
    I also think SJs, NTs, and STPs are more likely to handle inner chaos better, or rather keep the chaos from happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    It says that NF's are the most likely to "seek" therapy and that SFPs are the most likely to be "ordered" into therapy due to their breakdowns often consisting of delinquent and criminal behavior.
    haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post

    I also think SJs, NTs, and STPs are more likely to handle inner chaos better, or rather keep the chaos from happening.
    I'm sure there are quite a few STPs in prison, and I've known some SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP SJs, as well as observing an emotionally unstable or abusive NT here and there, so....No. Maybe as a general rule...but no, no not really.

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    I vote Ni because it's left brain which logically looks primarily at details, whereas Ne (right brain) looks primarily at wholes ("bigger picture"). I think Ni could lead one to over-analysis and totally missing the forrest for the trees. Here's what I found for Ni, but I was unable to find any similar effects of Ne broken down by types like this...

    Quote from http://greenlightwiki.com/lenore-exe...rted_Intuition
    As a Dominant Function, Ni leads INJs to anchor themselves primarily in discovery of and attunement to that "what else"--to seek communion with it for its own sake. INJs are typically concerned with finding an independent and all-encompassing perspective on whatever interests them, so they can see it without bias, without being fooled or led along by ways in which other interests have set things up, and without a merely partial understanding.

    As a Secondary Function, Ni typically leads ENJs to be aware of alternative ways of negotiating the social world, that exploit the assumptions that people make in order for there to be a social world. One might use this awareness to be on guard against cheaters, to prevail by setting knots and traps for others to fall into, to commit to a vision that might currently seem impossible, or a thousand other ways to serve or create an Extraverted goal.

    As a Tertiary Function, Ni typically leads ISPs to suspect others of hypocrisy and cheating and putting on appearances aimed at exploiting people's credulity--especially hypocrisy inherent in social institutions. Sometimes ISPs draw upon Ni to find ways to throw a monkey wrench into social systems that call them into some kind of obligation: to respond in ways that don't make sense within the system's explicitly stated ways of interpreting behavior as cooperative or hostile (but are indeed hostile).

    As an Inferior Function, Ni typically leads ESPs to either self-doubt or claim to a mystic vision--to see themselves as an oracle of transcendent truth, bypassing the need for finding things out through observation, reasoning, and putting ideas to a test.

    Naturally, you can see plenty of dominant-style Ni in ENJs, secondary-style Ni in INJs, and so on--even inferior-style Ni in INJs.

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    I would say Ni. This comment purportedly from Beebe was interesting: "Jung singlehandedly rescued introverted iNtuition from being regarded as a sociopathy in Western culture."

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I'm sure there are quite a few STPs in prison, and I've known some SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP SJs, as well as observing an emotionally unstable or abusive NT here and there, so....No. Maybe as a general rule...but no, no not really.
    The ISTP that I dated had a good handle on his Ni and didn't take it to the twisted level described in the quote from my previous post above. I would take this poll with a grain of salt though, there are weirdos in every type.

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    I think Ne's craziness is more like a hyper child than a madman. Ne hops around from crazy thought to crazy thought. Ni, has this alarming way of twisting their perception of reality. Ni's ability to do this is kind of like a honey badger. The badger's skin is extremely thick and loose, so it can move freely within it. If a predator bites the badger's skin, it can just twist around and bite back. It's hard to get at its core. Meanwhile, Ne is more like the roadrunner (you'll have to catch them first!).

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