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  • INTP

    6 6.74%
  • ENTP

    3 3.37%
  • INTJ

    20 22.47%
  • ENTJ

    6 6.74%
  • INFP

    6 6.74%
  • ENFP

    1 1.12%
  • INFJ

    2 2.25%
  • ENFJ

    0 0%
  • ISTP

    6 6.74%
  • ESTP

    0 0%
  • ISTJ

    16 17.98%
  • ESTJ

    14 15.73%
  • ISFP

    1 1.12%
  • ESFP

    0 0%
  • ISFJ

    1 1.12%
  • ESFJ

    7 7.87%
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrappingYoungLad View Post
    In my experience ISTP are the most stubborn type.

    TJ are stubborn in enforcing and following rules, that's why they are easily perceived as stubborn. These rules can be changed and TJ can adopt them.

    ISTPs make their own rules and judgments and aren't interested in enforcing them and that's why they don't seem stubborn. But there is no external way of changing an ISTP's prejudices. From my experience you can't change ISTP's prejudices even if presented with flawless arguments. They can only change by internal processes.
    Yeah, I notice this of ISxPs, ESxJs, and INxJs that they mostly change by internal process, and make up their own rules, etc. They're not really J judgments though, it's based on "Si" and how things have worked for them in the past, and are less willing to change from what they're confident in if they see no argument to do so, and they like stability.

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    Your stubbornness manifests itself with your introverted function.

    xSxJ - stubborn about "the way things are done", conservative in the traditional sense
    xNxJ - stubborn about their conclusions, gullible without sufficient evidence
    xxFP - stubborn about their personal beliefs, overly self-righteous
    xxTP - stubborn about logic, trouble assuaging emotions over a question of fact

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    I voted ESTJ because I refuse to admit that IXTJs are the most stubborn type

    Anyway, yeah, Onemoretime's got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    ESFJ. Saslou you're wonderful, but too many of your kind have proven this to me. Toooo maaaany.
    Awww. That's OK. Come meet my mum and step sister who both recently tested as ESFJ (Or maybe not. lol). Now they can both out stubborn me. *sigh and shudders*
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Your stubbornness manifests itself with your introverted function.

    xSxJ - stubborn about "the way things are done", conservative in the traditional sense
    ISxP can be quite stubborn about the way things are done. I don't really see ISxJs as all that stubborn.

    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    xxFP - stubborn about their personal beliefs, overly self-righteous
    xxTP - stubborn about logic, trouble assuaging emotions over a question of fact
    Some of them are, but some of them are just as greatly open-minded too when it comes to what's logical or what their values are. I think it can depend in circumstance upon any function.

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    What the... INTJ's aren't half as stubborn as ESxJ's, especially thinkers.

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    As an expansion, where the conflicts come from:

    xSxJ-xxTP - will never agree over how to do something on the surface, as the previous is concerned with sticking with what works, such as the xSTJ's insistence on procedure and the xSFJ's insistence on tradition, while the latter is preoccupied with finding a way to get something over with quickly and with a minimum of energy expense. xSTPs generally convince others to do the unwanted task for them or find a technicality, while xNTPs will try to develop a better mouse trap, so to speak. The former find the latter "lazy" or "disrespectful", while the latter find the former "boring" or "hard-headed".

    xSxJ-xxFP - conflict when established procedures or traditions contradict the other's personal values. The xSxJ will not understand why the xxFP is making such a hue and cry over seemingly nothing, while the xxFP will never understand why they don't know how offensive and heartless the xSxJ is being.

    xSxJ-xNxJ - relatively little conflict, but the former will find the latter's conclusions to be "weird" and their beliefs "silly", while the latter will find the former's traditions to be fake and pointless.

    xxTP-xxFP - the former can't figure out why the latter takes everything so damn personally. The latter can't figure out why the former has to be so brutal in the way that person does things.

    xxTP-xNxJ - the former is sloppy, lazy, careless and imprecise. The latter constantly misses the big picture, always missing the forest for the trees.

    xxFP -xNxJ - The former considers the latter to be unethical or untrustworthy. The latter considers the former to be overly needy and plaintive.

    In conlusion,

    xSxJs - unthinking sticks in the mud, they must have loved you in the SS
    xNxJs - will believe anything you tell them or they come up with
    xxFPs - no one gives a damn about your opinion, so stop constantly bringing it up
    xxTPs - abrasive as all hell, pisses at least 3 people off a day, and doesn't give a shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    ISxP can be quite stubborn about the way things are done. I don't really see ISxJs as all that stubborn.
    Try to explain context to an ISTJ. They're fundamentally unconcerned with it, and will remain stubborn about wanting details when the big picture is much more pertinent.

    Tell an ISFJ that you don't really feel like having Christmas dinner with that person's family this year, since they live so far away and we're so busy anyway. Trust me, they'll get stubborn really quickly

    ISTP is more stubborn about the way something works, that is, its inner logic. ISFP gets stubborn when a shift in procedure contravenes a personal belief, no matter how trivial it may seem.

    Some of them are, but some of them are just as greatly open-minded too when it comes to what's logical or what their values are. I think it can depend in circumstance upon any function.
    True, but that's contextual again. An xxFP can be very open-minded, if they've internalized openmindedness as one of their core beliefs (xNFPs do this more readily given Ne's curiosity). However, no matter what, if a situation violates those personal beliefs, they will get stubborn about it. Given the openminded person above, aren't they usually the people who are the most intolerant of intolerance?

    Likewise, xxTPs can be open to different frames of logic (once again, xNTPs do this more readily). However, as soon as that logical procession is broken, they won't stop until the situation is dealt with. It's why the ESTP is the "quarterback" type, able to see discrepancies in defenses other people can't; the ISTP the "mechanic" type, able to figure out what's not functioning in a complex system based on the limited information available and what logically follows; so on and so forth (we wax poetic way too much on what INTPs and ENTPs can do well)

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    As an expansion, where the conflicts come from:
    I agree with Onemoretime. Since what we determine as the "most" or the "least" is defined by the conditions of our environment, placing a type under the right ones will reveal their stubborn side. Everyone here is correct in their assumptions, depending on the version of stubbornness that is measured from.

    Overall, I think Js take the cake for having the most stubborn moments. FJs for social matters; TJs for the work-related ones.
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    I have an INTJ friend who is 'holy cow stubborn'.

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