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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    When there's a problem, Ne immediately springs into action, trying to solve it with whatever is at hand and available. I can't say for sure how Ni does it, but I would imagine that this would seem much too hasty.
    Not only does it seem too hasty, it's not really even possible. Ni can't come up with an immediate solution. It just doesn't work, unless it's a problem that's been encountered before. IJs of all kinds are not exactly quick movers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by penny89 View Post
    Ne people, I have some questions...

    What is the difference between a connection made/ pattern "seen" with your preferred judging function, vs. Ne? My guess is that the Ne connection is subconscious, instantaneous (Ji is more methodical and could never be as fast, right?), and sometimes so "out there" that you are surprised your brain made the connection. It feels like it came out of nowhere. Is this true?

    In the same vein... can you "check over" your Ne connection with Ji and follow Ne's "reasoning" despite skipped or nonexistent steps? If it doesn't "make sense" to Ji, do you reject it?

    Do you have a hard time believing that the connections you see aren't inherent in reality, but are merely products of your mind? (ie. can you easily differentiate between what is real and what is a product of your mind ... and do you think the connections you see are indeed in reality or just in your mind)

    Sorry if the above is unclear. I think I sound like I'm trying to argue or start shit but I'm not. I don't mean any harm. Thanks.
    You've got it right, essentially. However, usually you can differentiate between what's real and what's just in your head... but you always wonder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by penny89 View Post
    Do you have a hard time believing that the connections you see aren't inherent in reality, but are merely products of your mind? (ie. can you easily differentiate between what is real and what is a product of your mind ... and do you think the connections you see are indeed in reality or just in your mind)
    For me, it's more flexible than that. I am open to reality. Sure I'll throw in my own impressions to fill in the gaps, but I believe those are all subject to change. I identify with this proposed definition of Ne from Lenore Thomson (Author of Personality Type: An Owner's Manual):
    Extraverted Intuition (Ne) is the attitude that the unknown is filled with wonderful things. To make use of them, you must be flexible in your goals. If you try to set things up so that only something known to be good can happen, you close your eyes to the zillions of opportunities that you can't know or define in terms of what you know now. As more of the unknown becomes clear, the more it changes your understanding of the (currently) known.

    To live, then, you need to continuously welcome the unknown, by always being ready to adjust in unanticipatable ways. What seems like a mistake is not a mistake when viewed in a larger pattern--and it's your job to find that larger pattern.

    (Compare Introverted Sensation, which leads to the exact opposite attitude toward the unknown. Ne says to anchor yourself nowhere, so you can continuously adapt to exploit unknown opportunities; Si says to anchor yourself firmly to what matters regardless of change, in order to keep out the unknown and its attendant, unknowable risks.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    And that meaning arises during the moment of looking at things and events as they unfold or later during reflection?


    Ni dances with your mother.
    Tricky, huh? Can't it be the case that we can find meaning both during perception and then afterward [but not both at the same time]?

    "Ni dances with your mother"

    “To explain all nature is too difficult a task for any one man or even for any one age. 'Tis much better to do a little with certainty, & leave the rest for others that come after you, than to explain all things by conjecture without making sure of any thing.”—Statement from unpublished notes for the Preface to the Opticks (1704) by Newton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thisica View Post
    "Ni dances with your mother"

    Oh, allow me to assist.
    Kalach has a mother complex.

    That means you will get any of the following in a post:

    Yo mama
    Yo mamma
    Yo Mama
    Yo Mamma
    Your mother
    Your Mother
    mother*ucker
    Mother*ucker


    One cannot be sure if he will use capital letters or hyphens.
    We must plan ahead for life's little emergencies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Oh, allow me to assist.
    Kalach has a mother complex.

    That means you will get any of the following in a post:

    Yo mama
    Yo mamma
    Yo Mama
    Yo Mamma
    Your mother
    Your Mother
    mother*ucker
    Mother*ucker


    One cannot be sure if he will use capital letters or hyphens.
    We must plan ahead for life's little emergencies.

    I suppose that Kalach has what I call a verbal tic. A Freudian slip, perhaps? [But I'm skeptical of Freud's ideas.]
    “To explain all nature is too difficult a task for any one man or even for any one age. 'Tis much better to do a little with certainty, & leave the rest for others that come after you, than to explain all things by conjecture without making sure of any thing.”—Statement from unpublished notes for the Preface to the Opticks (1704) by Newton.

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    Communists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Communists.
    I have enough with you spewing random words! What on Earth were you trying to say here?
    “To explain all nature is too difficult a task for any one man or even for any one age. 'Tis much better to do a little with certainty, & leave the rest for others that come after you, than to explain all things by conjecture without making sure of any thing.”—Statement from unpublished notes for the Preface to the Opticks (1704) by Newton.

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    I'm sure it was something substantial. Wait one while I compose an elaborate and telling explanation. Meanwhile...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Thisica View Post
    I suppose that Kalach has what I call a verbal tic. A Freudian slip, perhaps? [But I'm skeptical of Freud's ideas.]


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