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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I'm always in these "versus" threads realizing what an ENFP I am. I don't know why I ever question my type.
    i know right!? haha you're an enfp...just deal with already girlie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    hahahaha...i don't know know what the hell you're talking about but that shit is hilarious!
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    i don't think i have an issue with ni at all really. i always score high on it in cognitive functions tests. it might even have something to do with me being a 6 wing...it feels like it kinda...
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    i know right!? haha you're an enfp...just deal with already girlie!

    That's Ne.

    EDIT: Or Se
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Wouldn't that be the type's well known need for "uniqueness"? (can't fit into the "boxes") Never could believe you were INFJ.

    For an ENFP, Ni is "backup" to the dominant Ne, so it might be somewhat strong, if that is what you have been getting thrown off by.
    i've never heard that! what do you mean by that? we are so instinctively intuitive that we first use ne than ni? that makes sense kinda...but what were you saying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    That's Ne.
    ha! i don't get it...i mean...do you mean because i'm responding as i read or what?
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    I don't really relate to the Si aspect of Ne types that some describe here, or in the way I understand it anyway. For instance, when interacting with ESTJs IRL, I pretty much want to shoot myself. I don't get their way of seeing or judging at all; it's easily the most foreign to me of all the types. That's why I don't buy the neat little theory that sharing the same cognitive processes, regardless of order, increases ease of communication. I communicate way too well with ENFJs for that to be true. I can get along with ISTJs quite well, but I still find their thinking foreign.

    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    Hmm, this is interesting. It never occurred to me that other people didn't swap different systems in and out. So you look for the perfect definition and then build your matrix of ideas from there?
    As far as I'm understanding this, no, but then I am Ne-aux and not dom, so there's a lot more Fi happening. I start with a multitude of ideas, inspiration let's say, and then weed out that which does not suit what I've deemed most important, and what is most important tends to emerge with the process of considering ideas. I don't define it from the get-go; I just "know" it when I see it. I think when you're a P type, this is where the random aspect comes in; it's not a linear, constructing process. It's much more exploratory & fluid.

    I do look for consistency in the ideas when building a concept. If one idea is inconsistent with many that show promise, then I toss it. I'll revisit that idea if things change, which they do, so I reevaluate a lot.

    Occasionally, I do get stuck on an idea I see value in, and it's painful for me to let it go when I see it won't work; I see this as my inferior Te stepping in to tell FiNe to get back to earth . I'm not sure about this whole familiarity aspect. I almost always like to consider something new, even if I don't take it seriously yet because I have not determined its significance. Instead of seeing it as a "swapping out", I'll just see it as another option. I like to consider new for the sake of new, and find sicking rigidly to current definitions too confining. Frankly, I find TiSi users more likely to be the theory gestapo when it comes to definitions :X. You'll find NFPs using "creative" use of language for instance, something I've seen make INTPs cringe.

    I do understand that for communication's sake, if you're re-defining a concept, then it's important to let people know that when you're talking about it so they can follow you .
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I don't really relate to the Si aspect of Ne types that some describe here, or in the way I understand it anyway.
    You are 100% correct, the dominant Ne users will have Si as their Animus/Anima subconscious inferior position and bundle a whole lot of confused issues in there which we may never know; your equivalent would be how you view Te users, which is a superbly contrasting position from Si. With (probably) Si in the tertiary (Jung disagrees) you will use it as relief and an escape hatch from awkward situations.

    But yes, both the Ni and Si dominants have this gradual situational internal perspective shift which can look very unusual to a dominant Ji like yourself as it is more akin to a gradual evolution of opinions through experience but without the instinctive deliberation you may see in how you chose what you view as the right way to live, think and do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    *Te steps in to organise*

    Positive meet point, butterflies = irrelevant.

    Negative meet point:
    Ni/Te = who cares who left the window open, let's get back to the subject matter of conflict.
    Ne/Ti = everything might possibly matter. Don't reject what might factor in. The window has been pinned into slot x1b7h3. Notice how the window is open 4" wide? Maybe Ralph left it open since by my calculation, he only has the height to push it open 4" although it might possibly be Allie, since she's tall but really weak. But Allie's been working out lately so her arms and shoulders might be stronger. Speaking of, I've started a new routine at the gym. It's fantastic for your entire body. Too bad I can't get up the energy to go to the gym on a regular basis. Routines bore me......
    I know, right, freaking irrelevant possibilities. At length. Why are they relevant? That is my question. Or perhaps a far better question would be why are they irrelevant to me. Is there some legitimate evaluation that classed all those Ne tangents (and lengthy expositions) as irrelevant, or is my evaluation based more on protecting my own processing?

    *sigh* It's the latter.


    I wonder why people keep thinking conflicts are essentially solvable. Goddamn every person everywhere believes they have some kind of answer, BUT THEIR ANSWER IS ALWAYS BASED ON THEIR OWN FOUNDATION! How can it not be? Can a person come to a conclusion based on someone else's cognitive processes?

    Once again, a claim I read somewhere: groups of people of similar type will operate more happily and finish group projects faster than type dissimilar groups, but type-dissimilar groups (potentially, and perhaps in fact often) produce higher quality results.


    Uh oh. I wonder what type-dissimilar meant there. Duals or people with formally conflicting functions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    I wonder why people keep thinking conflicts are essentially solvable. Goddamn every person everywhere believes they have some kind of answer, BUT THEIR ANSWER IS ALWAYS BASED ON THEIR OWN FOUNDATION! How can it not be? Can a person come to a conclusion based on someone else's cognitive processes?
    By reading a book nd giving an example of someone else. 2+2=4. Anyway, my foundation is google alot of the times, so yes it is possible to base it on someone elses cognitive process. Its called regurgitation of situations, stories, etc. Now if you want to give your own personal answer to each and every problem, then no its not possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Once again, a claim I read somewhere: groups of people of similar type will operate more happily and finish group projects faster than type dissimilar groups, but type-dissimilar groups (potentially, and perhaps in fact often) produce higher quality results.
    I will argue with the faster part, if you put a a group of similiar types on a project they might not even finish it at all. Its called sidetrack and is very easy for a group of similiar types to lead each other astray, be perfectly happy, and not give a dang.

    Anyway did you do that on purpose or do you just not consider it an answer?

    on a side note, you guys are fun to argue with You dont get as huffy and puffy as other types and when you do its usually short lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    By reading a book nd giving an example of someone else. 2+2=4. Anyway, my foundation is google alot of the times, so yes it is possible to base it on someone elses cognitive process. Its called regurgitation of situations, stories, etc. Now if you want to give your own personal answer to each and every problem, then no its not possible.
    Are there times people don't give their own personal answer? (If looking up other people's styles and trying to use them is one's personal style, then using other people's style is your own personal style too. Damn chameleons.)

    If there are times people don't insist on their own personal answer (granted a very broad definition of "personal" including chameleon personal), aren't they giving less to the situation than is enough to make it meaningful to them. And if it actually were an important question, they'd give their "personal" answer, wouldn't they?

    I will argue with the faster part, if you put a a group of similiar types on a project they might not even finish it at all. Its called sidetrack and is very easy for a group of similiar types to lead each other astray, be perfectly happy, and not give a dang.
    Really? Even groups of Js? Let's assume work teams then, and in that case there's some structure imposed on the work from outside: deadlines, set goals, etc.

    Anyway did you do that on purpose or do you just not consider it an answer?
    What an answer? That people could gain an at least intellectual appreciation of other people's functioning and make room for it? Dude, we're both introverts. We both know people are supposed to do what WE say. The extroverts will gain an intellectual appreciation of our processing and make room for it only if we launch a revolution. Otherwise they're just too loud and keep looking in the mirror for confirmation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Are there times people don't give their own personal answer? (If looking up other people's styles and trying to use them is one's personal style, then using other people's style is your own personal style too. Damn chameleons.)

    If there are times people don't insist on their own personal answer (granted a very broad definition of "personal" including chameleon personal), aren't they giving less to the situation than is enough to make it meaningful to them. And if it actually were an important question, they'd give their "personal" answer, wouldn't they?
    Im lost to the method you use to be a chameleon. With me its based on a storehouse of concepts where I apply the concepts of what other people say and do to the current situation. No looking up is required. They are my own personal understandings of what people say so I can chameleon it into a different context. No effort goes into chameleoning people. Its all natural, 100% organic.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Really? Even groups of Js? Let's assume work teams then, and in that case there's some structure imposed on the work from outside: deadlines, set goals, etc.
    Ahhh...now you make it personal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Once again, a claim I read somewhere: groups of people of similar type will operate more happily and finish group projects faster than type dissimilar groups, but type-dissimilar groups (potentially, and perhaps in fact often) produce higher quality results.
    This could easily be an answer to a question, your cognition isnt within the answer, so you are using "someone elses" cognition as the answer, your cognition merely linked the 2 together. Sorry, just because you regurgitate, doesnt give you the "cognitive" skills of the whole. Getting nit picky here, we introverts always have to be right you know So does your cognition think that its a valid statement without your own cognition putting "limits" on it.

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