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    actually, if you've ever been in the presence of two ESxPs feeding off of each other you could be able to see him as an S as well!
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    Noam Chomsky vs. William F. Buckley debate:

    YouTube - Noam Chomsky vs. William F. Buckley Debate : Part 1 of 2
    YouTube - Noam Chomsky vs. William F. Buckley Debate : Part 2 of 2

    Keirsey typed Buckley as an INTP (I think). Chomsky seems like an INTP to me too. What do you guys think?

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    Brilliant debate (when and why on earth did these kinds of debates turn into the mockery we call "debates" nowadays?). And yes, they both seem very Ti-Ne.
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    They both look like their emotions aren't really invested in the debate. Either high Ti or low Fe.

    I'm going with high Ti. Buckley seems more E than Chomskey.

    I'm still trying to figure out what they're talking about, but I guess I probably won't be able to piece it all together without the prerequisite historic knowledge. Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    actually, if you've ever been in the presence of two ESxPs feeding off of each other you could be able to see him as an S as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    I'm going with high Ti. Buckley seems more E than Chomskey.
    Agreed. I was considering Ne-Ti, but even if he's more extroverted, he still strikes me as an introvert.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    I'm still trying to figure out what they're talking about, but I guess I probably won't be able to piece it all together without the prerequisite historic knowledge. Oh well.
    Though the subject was American interventionism, I'm pretty sure the underlying debate is the Vietnam war, and probably takes place pre-1970 judging from the opinions and some historical references. (I could be wrong on that one, but if I were to guess a year for the debate, I'd my intuition says 1967 or 68.)
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    How about Richard Feynman as an example of Ne-Ti? Just to contrast with Buckley & Chomsky above and possibly Robin Williams as Ne-Fi.

    Richard Feynman on Uncertainty and Doubt

    I think there are some subtle differences. Feynman doesn't seem so tied to mental models and has a very clear "discover Nature without any predisposition to how it works" attitude. That's certainly one of the biggest themes that separates me from my INTP friends.

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    Carebear - the year of the Chomsky-Buckley debate is actually 1969, so you were pretty close.

    Nemo - Good links! Thanks for those. There is a noticeable difference between Feynman and the others - especially how he starts to go down one particular line of thought then goes 'No, nevermind, let's not go there' seems pretty indicative of dominant Ne (with Ti regulating/guiding it).

    Also, yeah, like you said - he seems curious about the way things work, and eager to find out how it does, but not as strictly focused on the pure pursuit of logic the way an INTP might.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticangel02 View Post
    Carebear - the year of the Chomsky-Buckley debate is actually 1969, so you were pretty close.
    Cool! It sounded to me like the Vietnam war wasn't too far progressed yet, and they were talking about US dealings in Greece (1967?) as if it was rather current affairs, so I thought it would be late 60's.
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