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    I found the follwing description of the ENTJ. Do you think it's more accurate for ENTP or ENTJ?

    ENTJ people are doers. They set out to accomplish things and are determined to succeed one way or another. They must, however, learn the difference between being confidently aggressive--a responsible "take-charge person" on whom others rely to get things moving-- and being rudely aggressive-- a "know-it-all" who is insensitive to the feelings as well as the wisdom of others.
    ENTJ individuals react in a physical way to everything they experience in life. That is, before they assess the practicality or worth of what they are doing, before they sort out their true emotions, and, before they take time to reason things out intellectually, their tendency is to shoot first and ask questions later. Their nature is inspiring and flattering to others, but unless impatience and rash behavior are curbed, their unbridled enthusiasm backfires when they lose interest just as quickly as they gained it. They quickly forget frustration and anger. Since theirs is essentially a generous nature, their selfishness is usually a result of carelessness rather than intentional unkindness.
    ENTJ are high-spirited, energetic individuals. Courageous, optimistic, and friendly, they are lively participants in the everyday bustle of life, maintaining a frantic pace others find difficult to match. Constant physical activity works off excess energy, and its vitalizing influence is important to their intellectual and creative endeavors. It is usually the ENTJ who is willing to start projects others would be afraid to tackle. However, it is also the ENTJ who often fails to finish things when too many details demand attention or they simply lose interest. In spite of the physical energy associated with this type, they are not above using the inability of others to keep up with them as an excuse for their own idleness. If they expect others to provide them with constant stimulation and are unwilling to find their own diversions, they become lazy. Cut off from physical activity, they become depressed, unproductive, and overweight.
    They are eager athletes and generous players. They enjoy the challenge of a tough contest, but they can be so stimulated that they become too aggressive. Combative by nature, they may enjoy boxing, wrestling, and most team sports. They are apt to be mechanically inclined and adept at arts and crafts, typing, working with machinery, playing musical instruments. They have a tendency to allow their enthusiasm to exceed their actual ability. Before taking something apart, they don't stop to wonder if they can put it back together.

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    Sounds ENTJ to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    I found the follwing description of the ENTJ. Do you think it's more accurate for ENTP or ENTJ?

    ENTJ people are doers. They set out to accomplish things and are determined to succeed one way or another. They must, however, learn the difference between being confidently aggressive--a responsible "take-charge person" on whom others rely to get things moving-- and being rudely aggressive-- a "know-it-all" who is insensitive to the feelings as well as the wisdom of others.
    ENTJ individuals react in a physical way to everything they experience in life. That is, before they assess the practicality or worth of what they are doing, before they sort out their true emotions, and, before they take time to reason things out intellectually, their tendency is to shoot first and ask questions later. Their nature is inspiring and flattering to others, but unless impatience and rash behavior are curbed, their unbridled enthusiasm backfires when they lose interest just as quickly as they gained it. They quickly forget frustration and anger. Since theirs is essentially a generous nature, their selfishness is usually a result of carelessness rather than intentional unkindness.
    ENTJ with some ENTP elements.
    ENTJ are high-spirited, energetic individuals. Courageous, optimistic, and friendly, they are lively participants in the everyday bustle of life, maintaining a frantic pace others find difficult to match. Constant physical activity works off excess energy, and its vitalizing influence is important to their intellectual and creative endeavors. It is usually the ENTJ who is willing to start projects others would be afraid to tackle. However, it is also the ENTJ who often fails to finish things when too many details demand attention or they simply lose interest. In spite of the physical energy associated with this type, they are not above using the inability of others to keep up with them as an excuse for their own idleness. If they expect others to provide them with constant stimulation and are unwilling to find their own diversions, they become lazy. Cut off from physical activity, they become depressed, unproductive, and overweight.
    They are eager athletes and generous players. They enjoy the challenge of a tough contest, but they can be so stimulated that they become too aggressive. Combative by nature, they may enjoy boxing, wrestling, and most team sports. They are apt to be mechanically inclined and adept at arts and crafts, typing, working with machinery, playing musical instruments. They have a tendency to allow their enthusiasm to exceed their actual ability. Before taking something apart, they don't stop to wonder if they can put it back together.
    More ENTP although ENTJs have elements of this.

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    I dunno. It could be decribing ESTP too.

    Can anyone help me understand this?

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    Some average ExTx
    ENTj 7-3-8 sx/sp

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    I bolded what applies to me (at this point in time).

    ENTJ people are doers. They set out to accomplish things and are determined to succeed one way or another. They must, however, learn the difference between being confidently aggressive--a responsible "take-charge person" on whom others rely to get things moving-- and being rudely aggressive-- a "know-it-all" who is insensitive to the feelings as well as the wisdom of others.
    ENTJ individuals react in a physical way to everything they experience in life. That is, before they assess the practicality or worth of what they are doing, before they sort out their true emotions, and, before they take time to reason things out intellectually, their tendency is to shoot first and ask questions later. Their nature is inspiring and flattering to others, but unless impatience and rash behavior are curbed, their unbridled enthusiasm backfires when they lose interest just as quickly as they gained it. They quickly forget frustration and anger. Since theirs is essentially a generous nature, their selfishness is usually a result of carelessness rather than intentional unkindness.
    ENTJ are high-spirited, energetic individuals. Courageous, optimistic, and friendly, they are lively participants in the everyday bustle of life, maintaining a frantic pace others find difficult to match. Constant physical activity works off excess energy, and its vitalizing influence is important to their intellectual and creative endeavors. It is usually the ENTJ who is willing to start projects others would be afraid to tackle. However, it is also the ENTJ who often fails to finish things when too many details demand attention or they simply lose interest. In spite of the physical energy associated with this type, they are not above using the inability of others to keep up with them as an excuse for their own idleness. If they expect others to provide them with constant stimulation and are unwilling to find their own diversions, they become lazy. Cut off from physical activity, they become depressed, unproductive, and overweight.
    They are eager athletes and generous players. They enjoy the challenge of a tough contest, but they can be so stimulated that they become too aggressive. Combative by nature, they may enjoy boxing, wrestling, and most team sports. They are apt to be mechanically inclined and adept at arts and crafts, typing, working with machinery, playing musical instruments. They have a tendency to allow their enthusiasm to exceed their actual ability. Before taking something apart, they don't stop to wonder if they can put it back together.

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    ESTP caricature.

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    Hmm, the few ENTJs I have known are some of the most intense people ever. They dont seem as charming as this description seems-intensely friendly yes, but charming no. They also always finish what they start-in a driving intense, non stop way. The bull-in-a-china-shop description is an excellent one as very often they just mow over other people, totally unaware in the drive to complete things. Exceptional leaders though, and I would gladly work for one again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    Hmm, the few ENTJs I have known are some of the most intense people ever. They dont seem as charming as this description seems-intensely friendly yes, but charming no. They also always finish what they start-in a driving intense, non stop way. The bull-in-a-china-shop description is an excellent one as very often they just mow over other people, totally unaware in the drive to complete things. Exceptional leaders though, and I would gladly work for one again.
    I don't disagree that we're near unstoppable when it comes to something integral to accomplishing a task at work. It's true.

    When it comes to personal, not sure if charm is the best way to describe it although I'm sure other ENTJs are capable of it, perhaps more approachability and as you've stated friendly.

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    Metaphor, What do you think of the description in the OP?

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