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    I did give a very brief response by partitioning out top and bottom. Were you looking for something more specific, as in what DiscoBiscuit has posted?

    It would really help if you gave us the reason(s) why you're looking for this.

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    Like DiscoBiscuit I've bolded all that applies to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    I found the follwing description of the ENTJ. Do you think it's more accurate for ENTP or ENTJ?

    ENTJ people are doers. They set out to accomplish things and are determined to succeed one way or another. They must, however, learn the difference between being confidently aggressive--a responsible "take-charge person" on whom others rely to get things moving-- and being rudely aggressive-- a "know-it-all" who is insensitive to the feelings as well as the wisdom of others.
    ENTJ individuals react in a physical way to everything they experience in life. That is, before they assess the practicality or worth of what they are doing, before they sort out their true emotions, and, before they take time to reason things out intellectually, their tendency is to shoot first and ask questions later. Their nature is inspiring and flattering to others, but unless impatience and rash behavior are curbed, their unbridled enthusiasm backfires when they lose interest just as quickly as they gained it. They quickly forget frustration and anger. Since theirs is essentially a generous nature, their selfishness is usually a result of carelessness rather than intentional unkindness.
    ENTJ are high-spirited, energetic individuals. Courageous, optimistic, and friendly, they are lively participants in the everyday bustle of life, maintaining a frantic pace others find difficult to match. Constant physical activity works off excess energy, and its vitalizing influence is important to their intellectual and creative endeavors. It is usually the ENTJ who is willing to start projects others would be afraid to tackle. However, it is also the ENTJ who often fails to finish things when too many details demand attention or they simply lose interest. In spite of the physical energy associated with this type, they are not above using the inability of others to keep up with them as an excuse for their own idleness. If they expect others to provide them with constant stimulation and are unwilling to find their own diversions, they become lazy. Cut off from physical activity, they become depressed, unproductive, and overweight.
    They are eager athletes and generous players. They enjoy the challenge of a tough contest, but they can be so stimulated that they become too aggressive. Combative by nature, they may enjoy boxing, wrestling, and most team sports. They are apt to be mechanically inclined and adept at arts and crafts, typing, working with machinery, playing musical instruments. They have a tendency to allow their enthusiasm to exceed their actual ability. Before taking something apart, they don't stop to wonder if they can put it back together.
    Surgeons replace one of your neurons with a microchip that duplicates its input-output functions. You feel and behave exactly as before. Then they replace a second one, and a third one, and so on, until more and more of your brain becomes silicon. Since each microchip does exactly what the neuron did, your behavior and memory never change. Do you even notice the difference? Does it feel like dying? Is some other conscious entity moving in with you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    I did give a very brief response by partitioning out top and bottom. Were you looking for something more specific, as in what DiscoBiscuit has posted?

    It would really help if you gave us the reason(s) why you're looking for this.
    Is your well-honed Spidey-sense tingling? Yes? All in good time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    I found the follwing description of the ENTJ. Do you think it's more accurate for ENTP or ENTJ?

    ENTJ people are doers. They set out to accomplish things and are determined to succeed one way or another. They must, however, learn the difference between being confidently aggressive--a responsible "take-charge person" on whom others rely to get things moving-- and being rudely aggressive-- a "know-it-all" who is insensitive to the feelings as well as the wisdom of others.
    ENTJ individuals react in a physical way to everything they experience in life. That is, before they assess the practicality or worth of what they are doing, before they sort out their true emotions, and, before they take time to reason things out intellectually, their tendency is to shoot first and ask questions later. Their nature is inspiring and flattering to others, but unless impatience and rash behavior are curbed, their unbridled enthusiasm backfires when they lose interest just as quickly as they gained it. They quickly forget frustration and anger. Since theirs is essentially a generous nature, their selfishness is usually a result of carelessness rather than intentional unkindness.
    ENTJ are high-spirited, energetic individuals. Courageous, optimistic, and friendly, they are lively participants in the everyday bustle of life, maintaining a frantic pace others find difficult to match. Constant physical activity works off excess energy, and its vitalizing influence is important to their intellectual and creative endeavors. It is usually the ENTJ who is willing to start projects others would be afraid to tackle. However, it is also the ENTJ who often fails to finish things when too many details demand attention or they simply lose interest. In spite of the physical energy associated with this type, they are not above using the inability of others to keep up with them as an excuse for their own idleness. If they expect others to provide them with constant stimulation and are unwilling to find their own diversions, they become lazy. Cut off from physical activity, they become depressed, unproductive, and overweight.
    They are eager athletes and generous players. They enjoy the challenge of a tough contest, but they can be so stimulated that they become too aggressive. Combative by nature, they may enjoy boxing, wrestling, and most team sports. They are apt to be mechanically inclined and adept at arts and crafts, typing, working with machinery, playing musical instruments. They have a tendency to allow their enthusiasm to exceed their actual ability. Before taking something apart, they don't stop to wonder if they can put it back together.

    Same description, nearly verbatim, for people born with the Sun in Aries.
    http://www.psychicfred.com/astrotext/aries.htm

    Aries people are doers. They set out to accomplish things and are determined to succeed one way or another. They must, however, learn the difference between being confidently aggressive--a responsible "take-charge person" on whom others rely to get things moving-- and being rudely aggressive-- a "know-it-all" who is insensitive to the feelings as well as the wisdom of others.

    Aries individuals react in a physical way to everything they experience in life. That is, before they assess the practicality or worth of what they are doing, before they sort out their true emotions, and, before they take time to reason things out intellectually, their tendency is to shoot first and ask questions later. Their passionate nature is inspiring and flattering to others, but unless impatience and rash behavior are curbed, their unbridled enthusiasm backfires when they lose interest just as quickly as they gained it. Theirs is the astrological sign of the soldier but in their haste, they forget the practicality of being adequately armed before rushing headlong into physical or verbal combat. They quickly forget frustration and anger. Since theirs is essentially a generous nature, their selfishness is usually a result of carelessness rather than intentional unkindness.

    Aries people are high-spirited, energetic individuals ready to try anything at least once. Courageous, optimistic, and friendly, they are lively participants in the everyday bustle of life, maintaining a frantic pace others find difficult to match. Constant physical activity works off excess energy, and its vitalizing influence is important to their intellectual and creative endeavors. It is usually the Aries who is willing to start projects others would be afraid to tackle. However, it is also Aries who often fails to finish things when too many details demand attention or they simply lose interest. In spite of the physical energy associated with Aries, they are not above using the inability of others to keep up with them as an excuse for their own idleness. If they expect others to provide them with constant stimulation and are unwilling to find their own diversions, they become lazy. Cut off from physical activity, they become depressed, unproductive, and overweight.

    They are eager athletes and generous players. They enjoy the challenge of a tough contest, but they can be so stimulated that they become too aggressive. Aries rules guns and weapons, so it isn't surprising that many Aries individuals enjoy hunting. Combative by nature, they also enjoy boxing, wrestling, and most team sports. They are apt to be mechanically inclined and adept at arts and crafts, typing, working with machinery, playing musical instruments, or performing magic tricks. They have a tendency to allow their enthusiasm to exceed their actual ability. Before taking something apart, they don't stop to wonder if they can put it back together.
    I am not an Aries and your Astrology stunt was lame. Lol.

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    Nice!

    Not an Aries but I am a fire sign!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Nice!

    Not an Aries but I am a fire sign!
    You're an ENTJ. Don't be talkin that asstrology mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    You're an ENTJ. Don't be talkin that asstrology mess.
    Astrology is fun (but not to be taken seriously). Even Jung went a little mystic with elementals!

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    Jaguar wins.
    Yes, the above is a description of the Aries from an astrology site. I chose ENTJ because it seemed to fit with some of the curent threads.
    It is interesting to note that all I had to do was find/replace the word Aries with ENTJ, and remove a few overtly astrological sentences to make it seem more-or-less accurate.
    I'll take that as proof of the poverty of MBTI as a means of describing personality. It would seem that it has little more to offer in terms of actual insight than astrology. Mostly, it's an exercise in ego syntonic self-flattery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Jaguar wins.
    Yes, the above is a description of the Aries from an astrology site. I chose ENTJ because it seemed to fit with some of the curent threads.
    It is interesting to note that all I had to do was find/replace the word Aries with ENTJ, and remove a few overtly astrological sentences to make it seem more-or-less accurate.
    I'll take that as proof of the poverty of MBTI as a means of describing personality. It would seem that it has little more to offer in terms of actual insight than astrology. Mostly, it's an exercise in ego syntonic self-flattery.
    Astrology isn't incorrect because the descriptions that it provides don't resemble actual people. Astrology is incorrect because the idea that being born in a particular month can determine someone's personality is nuts.
    Surgeons replace one of your neurons with a microchip that duplicates its input-output functions. You feel and behave exactly as before. Then they replace a second one, and a third one, and so on, until more and more of your brain becomes silicon. Since each microchip does exactly what the neuron did, your behavior and memory never change. Do you even notice the difference? Does it feel like dying? Is some other conscious entity moving in with you?
    -Steven Pinker on the Ship of Theseus Paradox

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Astrology is fun (but not to be taken seriously). Even Jung went a little mystic with elementals!
    Yeah.. and Jung and I had a little talk about that.

    Shortly after.. he wrote Psychology and Religion

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