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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    Yesterday I had lunch with two older women ages 70 and 80. One was an assertive ESFJ and the other an INFJ. It was an interesting perspective to see two fundamentally different manifestations of Fe. I've been thinking more and more that the abstract concept of externalized value judgments and externalized subjective impressions of reality that are Fe can be applied into more than one type of system. I suspect there are multiple, fundamentally different versions of each function.

    There is a type of Fe we correlate with the 'fake politician'. The person who knows exactly what to say to win favor regardless of the inner feelings about whomever they are speaking with is demonstrating some type of Fe. However, I don't think that everyone categorized as Fe has this capacity. It is a specific manifestation of that abstract concept.

    There is also a maternal type of Fe that is genuinely invested in those they interact with, but takes on a guiding role to keep people behaving within the accepted norms. It is authentic and not fake at all like the politician, but it is focused on the assumption that we are all supposed to behave this way or that. It can be either dominant like someone taking on role of mother/father or as a nervously concerned friend.

    There is also a type of Fe that is like a puppy dog that is very externally influenced, completely authentic, but not as systematic and planning as the above mentioned types. It can change with the external environment, but is the exact opposite of 'fake'.

    The type I see in various INFJs is a little different still. It has a more abstract nature and is something like the example of the dog, but imagine it to be a ghost observing all the people and systems feelings all the ups and downs at once from a distance.

    I suspect Fi, Ti, and Te and the perceiving functions may have the capacity to have fundamentally different versions of each. It can't be one thing because there is too much contrast in behavior.
    That's interesting. I'd say I have a combination of all three depending on the situation, although I exude mainly the maternal type cause of my mentality at times, and it's probably cause of my introverted sensing. Se I would say could contribute the most to the puppy dog side, Si to maternal, Ni to the fake politician or ghost thing. Of course every single function that a person has contributes to how Fe intertwines with their personality but I would assume the dominant and auxiliary positions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draconic View Post
    That's interesting. I'd say I have a combination of all three depending on the situation, although I exude mainly the maternal type cause of my mentality at times, and it's probably cause of my introverted sensing. Se I would say could contribute the most to the puppy dog side, Si to maternal, Ni to the fake politician or ghost thing. Of course every single function that a person has contributes to how Fe intertwines with their personality but I would assume the dominant and auxiliary positions.
    I'm not 100% certain of my type (and I prefer it that way), but the only way I relate to Fe is as the ghost puppy I described.
    Step into my metaphysical room of mirrors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    I'm not 100% certain of my type (and I prefer it that way), but the only way I relate to Fe is as the ghost puppy I described.
    That's cool. The more mystery the better
    As for me all things for now point towards ISFJ but I'm flexible and I believe things can change.
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    all the Fe doms/auxs that i know use Fe as logic and some even consider it logic. they will get highly offended if i refer to them as being irrational practically the NFJs who tend to think they are a cut above the typical SFJs for some reason. it might be because they tend to be more intellectual and they might lose face if i refer to them as such. all the Fi doms/auxs that i know (including myself) are aware that they are being irrational on the otherhand. we just don't give a crap about it. i like their honesty about it and they in favour appreciate my honesty about it.

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    It gives me energy moves me away from apathy etc. I can get bit saturated of when I get too much of it.
    If we apply socionics then I would say ESFPs use it too and it is used in wrong way IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misfortuneteller View Post
    all the Fe doms/auxs that i know use Fe as logic and some even consider it logic. they will get highly offended if i refer to them as being irrational practically the NFJs who tend to think they are a cut above the typical SFJs for some reason. it might be because they tend to be more intellectual and they might lose face if i refer to them as such. all the Fi doms/auxs that i know (including myself) are aware that they are being irrational on the otherhand. we just don't give a crap about it. i like their honesty about it and they in favour appreciate my honesty about it.
    Almost everyone is irrational if you know them long enough... That's why I hate people just as much as I love them.

    Fe is a specific type of logic.... More social/interpersonal logic rather than impersonal logic such as Ti. The premises are usually based on social rules/protocols... Very cause and effect. If one does not value those things, then it is going to be considered invalid.

    I think the thing that seems to irritate Ji is that it can be so context-based that it feels like they are constantly going through hoops... Ergo, making it irrational in their eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureInProgress View Post
    Almost everyone is irrational if you know them long enough... That's why I hate people just as much as I love them.

    Fe is a specific type of logic.... More social/interpersonal logic rather than inpersonal logic such as Ti. The premises are usually based on social rules/protocols... Very cause and effect. If one does not value those things, then it is going to be considered invalid.

    I think the thing that seems to irritate Ji is that it can be so context-based that it feels like they are constantly going through hoops... Ergo, making it irrational in their eyes.
    Its much easier dealing with people that KNOW they are irrational then those who think otherwise.


    We have the quote about a wise man knowing he knows nothing, I like the serenity prayer because it can be expanded so much beyond change. Its about knowledge. If you are not religious remove "God grant me" and just say "I will try my best to figure out"

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliaBlack View Post
    Yeah, healthy Fe is great. I mostly see it in middle-aged and older adults though, not usually in my age group. I'm 19 btw and just finished my first year of college.

    I don't mean to hate on Fe, it just pisses me off how people who claim to be warm and caring are so quick to gang up on people, sometimes for no reason. I've had a lot of bad experiences with this in online groups especially. People would get tired of shit, so they'd leave, and there would always be hundreds of comments (mostly from Fe-users) about how they're pathetic, an attention seeker, etc. That's what gets to me, when they decide it's okay to be rude because other people are doing it.
    Understood.

    One thing I've learned from Fe users is that it's always about how they're feeling. If anyone were to say something about how they themselves are feeling, they're suddenly victims, attention seekers, pathetic. They might not even tell you this directly, they'll just allude to it or drop clues/word things in a different light. If you care enough you'll start trying to figure out where they're coming from or what these words or labels they threw at you mean... and then suddenly you're like oh I'm a victim, I'm pathetic. They really screw with your head...and they always seem so severely hurt or angered by everything and everyone. I'm only judging this from younger Fe's -- even into their 30s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureInProgress View Post

    Fe is a specific type of logic....
    it's not logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misfortuneteller View Post
    it's not logic.
    It's just as logical as Fi. The functions ARE JUST PREFERENCES AND TOOLS. Whether or not it is used efficiently and effectively depends on the end user.

    Fe fits quite nicely into these definitions.
    b (1) : a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty (2) : relevance, propriety
    c : interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable

    It's just more concerned with the interpersonal/social realm. Whether you like it or not, each society/culture has several sets of rules based on cultural values and norms set within each group/subgroup. Fe users tend to base their reasoning on interpersonal dynamics while Fi reasoning is more intra personal... Neither is better or worse. I would say Fi is much more skilled at looking at specific situations/exceptions but that does not make any more or less logical than Fe... They are basically two sides of the same coin.

    I could just as easily say that your subjective experience (Fi) is invalid/illogical because Je would deem it irrelevant to the overall structure/picture. However, that isn't the case because there usually is some sort of rhyme and reason to the intricate value sets of FPs whether or not one csn fully understand the Fi user.
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