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Interesting.

I do that too in some way, in a systematic way I reinterpret the energies of people and know the character of people without needing to see their orbit which goes beyond personality. I still can when I want to, and link up many many situations that I become aware of whether I want to or not. I know at what point stuff happens and why. Its different, instead of an orbit its energy signatures. Its an attunement to different frequencies in positive and negative alignment of intention.

Its like seeing and hearing different stories around an orbit, you can reinterpret the energy of the stories and the intentions. In a subtle context the underlining emotional and thought complexities that circumvent the projection that happens from how people have become. And in becoming I can sense the reactions that happen before they happen sometimes. I sometimes tweak the outcome, say in an argument I say stuff that would seem strange but it changes the tone and flavour of discussion when said in the right way, almost piercing going to the heart of what the issue is and diffuse a building circular premise thats looping.

Other times, most times really, I observe the frequencies. Which is why I know how peoples energies exist along their frequencies of what is acceptable and unacceptable in their interpretation of intention that is expressed towards them by others and where their boundaries and trigger points are. That is much akin to seeing a persons intimate aspect of themselves beyond their own awareness of how much their interpretative state is charged from the energy that is integrated, created and diffused. And the passions and imaginations and the analysis that spills forth is from a source of being in their frequency that is often in or out of alignment to themselves.

And in that respect much of what happens is a fragment, a fragment that is in opposition to experience, and when there are multiple oppositions pressure surrounds the orbital frequencies and then being emotionally invested is a certainty whether your a feeler or thinker. just different sides of a similar pattern that converges to an equilibrium if you let it, if you sense it enough. many people misunderstand this aspect and believe and think in a dimensional way rather than a multidimensional way.

Its how limiting beliefs are. you see it, you hear it, you feel it, but you don't see it, you don't feel it and you don't hear it after all, you just think and feel you do. Ha I do that too, its being in a singular state rather than a harmonised state of frequency. Or if you will a synchronized state of seeing and being in the frequency of another orbit, intention, experience, how interactions whether intrapersonally or interpersonally happen etc.

And in that way without equanimity in understanding that pertains to abstract or surface conclusions its like a piece of a mosaic rather than a whole. an interpretation that is seen like a sphere with limits, rather than a sphere without limits that transcend beyond the sphere itself. and much of this story sharing comes from the reinterpretation of influential frequencies that in a subconscious way alter your thought and feeling perceptions from the people you look up to, admire, listen to. easily this then becomes a bit of a mirroring mantra in the way interpretation happens when learned from your family, relatives, friends, media etc. we think we know the energies that are, we feel we understand them, when through the beliefs we adopt pile upon our own frequencies like dents on a road traveled well. The strangeness of it is they tend to be distortions passed on from their own misunderstandings in frequency to their orbit and alignment and their dents in their traveled road and none appear to come to a consensus on a soul level, the representation of their orbital infrastructure.

And then I'm seeing multilayered colours that radiates astonishing beauty that translates to your dimension which has a blanket wrapped around and the nature is such. This self perpetuation is removed from the self belief of being the creator in our lives into being the victim, so much that we are in the frequencies that we think and feel are safest for use to value and believe instead of reclaiming our integration of becoming.

Life is far more vast than the vessels we incorporate as the social design we are handling and interpreting in our own ways. And the impressions that happen happen from under the intonation of frequency and energy fields that surround us first and what is familiar and unfamiliar in our experiences of the positive and negative infrastructure of our being.

Something is true though even in the knowing the basic needs are unfulfilled every time because while I know I forgotten how to properly express myself, the aspect of me that does is switched off and when its in curious form.

Life where would we be without life.
I like introspection. ;)
 

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I think I probably observe a lot of the same things fidelia and violaine are talking about, but the chess game and the "orbit" are a bit unnerving to me, as concepts, probably because it sounds like the process is to observe how people are behaving according to how people usually behave (the social rules) and might not account for individuality or differences in temperament/type (I've definitely been the object of some SJ projecting in the past). I think sometimes people observe behavior and social groups without realizing that just because something is likely to happen, or even usually happens, doesn't mean it will for that person (ie: They hang out together a lot; they're different genders. They MUST be dating.) A lot of assumptions like that are how gossip gets started in certain circles.

But since I find that I don't observe these particular INFJs doing that sort of thing or assigning incorrect motivations to others, I'm thinking that it's the metaphor itself that seems unnerving, rather than the actual process. :smile: I do a fair amount of this kind of thing myself; I do hang back and observe people, their habits, their patterns of interaction, etc., before I engage with them on a deeper level. I am also unable NOT to see when evidence points to the idea that I or others might be headed down a disastrous path...in relationships, especially.
 

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How about I walk out on a limb and say Fe people (not unlike TJ people) see other people as important items within a system, and Fi people see other people less as systematic items and more as relatively random (though often understandable) objects outside of them?

That seems to me how I can understand Fe/Fi. But it's complicated by other functions being involved. How about this: the higher in the function order is Fi, the less likely a person is to care about systematizing the outer human environment, and by default the less able they are to systematize that outer environment, while the higher the Fe, the more likely the person is to care about outer organization and engage in organizational activity.

As to what the specific goal of that organizational activity may be and what methods get used, presumably this varies according to the person and what they have come to know about themselves and others.

I like the way that’s^ phrased.


@ Zara - I haven't really thought about it that way until wading into several of these threads. I don't really see me as being terribly conscious of the chess game. It sort of just is whether any of us want it to exist or not. Therefore, I think if your objective is to be able to go through life being able to accomplish your personal aims or be free or whatever else, the shortest path to doing so is to arm yourself with enough observation and knowledge that you can navigate the game successfully without being taken off the board. Does that make any sense? I think Fe-ers would even agree that it's a pity, but once you come to terms with the idea that that's how it is, then their attention turns to the idea, "So now what? What am I going to do with what's been handed to me?"


This^ is almost exactly what occurred to me while reading Zarathustra’s comment too. Quite often I don’t like the game, but understanding how it’s played is a necessary component of living in the world with other people.


Yes, I think Ni is that. I have always tended to observe and predict, not to leverage things, that doesn't even occur to me. It's in an almost purely analytical way. I don't know what the motivation or pay-off is but I just feel blind not doing that. It's like I'm 'pinging' my environment, taking readings. I know I don't have any real value judgements tied up with my observations, something has to be threatening before I act on my observations.

Actually, talking about it like this, I can see why other people might find it creepy, like they are being analyzed constantly. I have had that complaint before. I don't actively seek information though, which makes me think I might appear cold (?) or disengaged when I'm pondering.

I’ve said before that I think the way FJ’s perception is directed inward, that it’s almost comparable to the way a blind person needs to know where their furniture is through memory- they need to know it’s going to be in the same place or they won’t be able to navigate their environment well. Instead of using perception to navigate our external environment, we use Fe; much in the way- instead of using eyesight- a blind person uses memory. The more we rely on Pi and Je, the less we navigate using what’s directly there in front of us and rely on what we already know and how we expect things to work (and possibilities we've imagined about how things can work better)- which is why we build these big frameworks with the sticky notes to guide us, and why we’re careful about making sure the sticky notes are an accurate representation of our external environment. I think this is more true for IFJs than EFJs, and varies according to where Pe falls in one’s function order (and function order is rarely the stacking a type is ‘supposed’ to have on the individual level).

So anyway, yeah, I’ve heard the overanalyzing bit myself. But it really seems to me like it’s just my way of interacting with the world. I’m not quick enough with Pe uptake for adequate immediate exchange; I'm not that malleable regarding the external world. And the analyzing is just a way of memorizing where the furniture is, making sure it is where we think it is. If that makes any sense.

edit: and really, I mean, even Se doms do this to *some* extent- navigate the external world according to the judgment already in their heads- it's just that I think PiJe types do it the most, and in Pi + Fe types the system/framework is more people-centered.
 

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Lot's of good stuff here...I'm happy to see the way this thread has progressed. :)
 

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No violaine, I do that too. I can't help it either. In fact one of the big things I find fascinating in getting to know new people is figuring out how they fit into the bigger picture. Even on this forum, I like knowing what other people are within one person's orbit, what they care about, what their hot buttons are, where their strengths lie, who they don't hitch with. I think in part it gives me a bigger sense of security because I better know what to expect from them. I also just find it fascinating. Some people like studying science or some kind of business system etc. I like studying human systems and seeing if I can find any particular "laws" at work within a particular little culture of people or within my own interactions with someone. I also like investigating how far afield those laws apply - do they work across many different sub-cultures or not? Is it a human condition or just a person or group specific one?

So-let's call this Fe analysis. My best friend ENTP describes what you describe but extends it as to deciding if the other person is a "friend" or a "competitor". People shift in her Fe book depending upon their ability to influence the chess game. She says it is almost subconscious, she will just feel herself modifying her interactions with another as they gain or lose influence.

Fi analysis for me is about individuals. I see each person as an individual, form deep caring bonds to that person, which obligate me to carry some of their pain. As an individual I dont notice how they relate to others at all-only the fluid intricacies of them as an individual, how they differ from yesterday, their eyes, the tone of their voice, the slump of their posture. There are no words or premeptive thoughts that accompany this. I walk up to them, then feel as though part of my self unfolds and wraps around them, molds over their form. It is very kinesthetic. I touch them with my soul. I look at them from the corner of my eye, not directly. I suspect this may be Fi working with Ne to form an internal simulacrum of the other person which allows me to cross reference their behavior overtime..It maps the essentials, the gist of the other person which Ne sews together.

NeTe analysis is entirely different. NeTe seeks generic patterns. It strips the individual of their uniqueness and seeks trends across categories. This is what I use to analyze people on forums or to identify new MBTI patterns. In a thread I quickly stop seeing names and instead see trends across MBTI type. If four INFJs in a row say the same thing on a thread, then I see other infjs saying the same thing on multiple threads in different convos, then see INFJs saying the same thing on multiple forums, well it becomes a Te generalization wrt INFJs-meaning many but not all INFJs might be expected to follow a given behavioral pattern. To be honest I had no idea how little others can follow these Ne linkages until I started dating the INTJ. :) They are blatantly obvious to me and once explained, to my ENTP. I take these patterns and extend as far as I can until they break. I dont need the messy, gooey vague Fe-isms, built in my non native Fe ;) as long as the more basic NeTe patterns are still predictive.

For NeTe to be very effective, I have to have first applied Fi to map the individuals under study-it serves as a consistency check over time for their particular map. I also self check against the other ENFPs and as of late, INTJs and INFJs. If I can get others to see the pattern-I know it is legit and it it gives me confidence my other patterns are legit.

I suspect much of my conflict with NFJs here arises as I cut the world of people up with NeTe underpinned by Fi built into Si generalizations. The NFJs study the world of people with Fe focused by NiTi based upon Se instances. Neither approach is invalid, but since we are cutting up the people pie in different ways, we are blind to each others approach. I admit this willingly and seek Fe insight... I dont see some of the Fe users being so willing to admit they cant see my approach, but rather they deny its validity.
 
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Let's put it another way. What I personally meant by the "social chess game" is that it is the interaction between your actions, other people's actions, the consequences (cost and benefits). What should I do if the person does A), B), or, C)? What are my options now that they just picked C)? I factor in intent, motivation, genuineness my closeness to the person, what is the purpose?, what kind of outcome should be achieved? If I make the wrong move (based on the other person's reaction), I usually try to even out the playing field. It's typically not a manipulative ploy.

Example: A person is annoyed.
A) Ignore them (if I don't know them at all)
B) Try to find out why (I have some sort of relationship w/ them)
C) just pretend that nothing is going on (if it is obviously none of my business or it's between a third party)

I sometimes do a mixture after a certain amount of time.

This is my own personal Fe!
 

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Looks like I went a bit too abstract there, one of a kind. I like reading threads like these, makes total sense to whats going on. Its like Fe and Fi are hieroglyphics, a total mystery for some while totally, what, isn't that how everyone does it. :D
 

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I have thought about it some more and do not think consensus is the best word. This is how I see the comparison of the functions:

Fi
Whose feelings? - It cares about it's own feelings
What values? - It is about listing to your conscience; your own internal standards and ethics. The values it concerns itself with are private subjective core values. They are personal values
At what cost? - You are following your own value system regardless as to the consequence
Harmony with who? - It's about harmony with oneself

Fe
Whose feelings?- It is centered on the feelings of others and creating an environment of harmony
What values? - It is concerned with objective generally accepted values and norms
At what cost? - It sacrifices personal values so as to not offend other peopleHarmony with who?- It is about harmony with others

Also, Fe is inclined towards immediate, concrete and specific action. It wants to do things - affirm people, make them happy, establish harmony, etc. Fi is not so focused on this unless it is really riled up in which case, it can react very strongly.

Good summary, but I doubt if Fe-ers are denying themselves for the harmony of the group. Maybe their assessment aligns with the group, or maybe they are 'neutral' in that it's inconsequential to their well being. I'm sure if the group thought was counter to their personal values, they wouldn't go with it.
 

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Good summary, but I doubt if Fe-ers are denying themselves for the harmony of the group. Maybe their assessment aligns with the group, or maybe they are 'neutral' in that it's inconsequential to their well being. I'm sure if the group thought was counter to their personal values, they wouldn't go with it.

Yeah, sometimes we will realize that we might not get our own personal ideal outcome, and we'll sacrifice that 100% of what we want if we know that it will benefit the most people. But it doesn't mean we're squelching/ignoring values. It seems weird to talk about Fe in terms of values, anyway, since that seems to be more of a Fi word. I mean, sure, I have values. But I don't think of the world or every decision in terms of right/wrong/ethics. Sometimes it's "what is the best outcome we can manage for this situation?" There are definitely some issues that hit my "morally correct" button. But I don't have a values-based opinion on everything. Also, sometimes my personal belief might not really matter or be relevant to the situation at hand. I carefully choose when to fight a values fight. Though I'm sure Fi-ers do that all the time, too.
 

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Good summary, but I doubt if Fe-ers are denying themselves for the harmony of the group. Maybe their assessment aligns with the group, or maybe they are 'neutral' in that it's inconsequential to their well being. I'm sure if the group thought was counter to their personal values, they wouldn't go with it.

In my experience, I just let my own view go in favour of what people want, or try to reconcile my pre-existing values with what the group wants. It's not like if my friends say: Let's murder orphans I will murder them just to get along. But a lot of times I am mentally calculating how can I assert what I want while minimizing group discord. Say I was ordering pizza for a social gathering. Just for the sake of metaphor, I know pizza isn't that tied to strong personal values. Maybe my first choice for pizza toppings wasn't pepperoni, but it's my third favourite, and I know most people in the group would be happy with that topping (Johnny is neutral to it, Sally loves it, Jackson said he liked it before if I do recall, etc). But ordering my favourite or second-favourite (let's say it's mushrooms and green peppers) would make Sally and Johnny unhappy, though Jackson would be okay with it. The natural choice would be to order pepperoni.

Ideally, I keep adjusting the scales until I find the ideal ratio between maximum personal happiness to maximum group happiness. Unfortunately, a lot of times to be safe, I will put too much weight on what others want, but tell them all I am just as happy with it as they are. Not so much because I am selfless, but for peace of mind. If I am going to be the unhappy one, at least I know what I am dealing with, I don't have to play this mad guessing game to find out who's unhappy and how can I change that to put things back into balance. Sometimes, if I am very dissatisfied about my cut of the pie, I catch myself secretly resenting others for letting me screw myself over. It sometimes takes me a while to recognize that I am responsible for that fate, and how are they supposed to know unless I put forth my needs. Of course, that last part is probably just me.
 

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In my experience, I just let my own view go in favour of what people want, or try to reconcile my pre-existing values with what the group wants. It's not like if my friends say: Let's murder orphans I will murder them just to get along. But a lot of times I am mentally calculating how can I assert what I want while minimizing group discord. Say I was ordering pizza for a social gathering. Just for the sake of metaphor, I know pizza isn't that tied to strong personal values. Maybe my first choice for pizza toppings wasn't pepperoni, but it's my third favourite, and I know most people in the group would be happy with that topping (Johnny is neutral to it, Sally loves it, Jackson said he liked it before if I do recall, etc). But ordering my favourite or second-favourite (let's say it's mushrooms and green peppers) would make Sally and Johnny unhappy, though Jackson would be okay with it. The natural choice would be to order pepperoni.

Ideally, I keep adjusting the scales until I find the ideal ratio between maximum personal happiness to maximum group happiness. Unfortunately, a lot of times to be safe, I will put too much weight on what others want, but tell them all I am just as happy with it as they are. Not so much because I am selfless, but for peace of mind. If I am going to be the unhappy one, at least I know what I am dealing with, I don't have to play this mad guessing game to find out who's unhappy and how can I change that to put things back into balance. Sometimes, if I am very dissatisfied about my cut of the pie, I catch myself secretly resenting others for letting me screw myself over. It sometimes takes me a while to recognize that I am responsible for that fate, and how are they supposed to know unless I put forth my needs. Of course, that last part is probably just me.

So this can potentially be a blind spot for Fe. Sounds like you could convince yourself that it's the right thing to do, but in the end realize that your actions don't feel good to self.
How comfortable would you be to insist on your favorites, like everyone else? Like pepperoni for you, the other toppings might not be their favorites, but tolerable.

Most people are willing to compromise and meet in the middle so that all needs can be generally be accomodated; no one person gets everything; no one will get noting.

Would it be possible for you to pause and take a step back to remind yourself that your views are just as valuable? How much of a stretch is that?
 

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I think there is a bit of an overreach of what Fe and Fi mean in this thread.

Fe doesn't imply that one is socially adept. Otherwise, xxFJ babies would be "socially adept."

Rather, Fe implies that one is very much aware of, and thinks in terms of, social interactions - the "social game," if you will. It does not imply either skill or particular interest along those lines.

Similarly, Fi doesn't imply self awareness or harmony with oneself: such people don't tend to cause much controversy when posting. Rather, the attitude of Fi is well-suited to achieving self awareness/harmony.

I think of the functions, abstractly, as "vectors." A vector doesn't necessarily have a particular point in space, it is just a direction. It indicates what you tend to look for and how you tend to evaluate it, it does not indicate what you saw and the results of your evaluation.
 

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Yeah, sometimes we will realize that we might not get our own personal ideal outcome, and we'll sacrifice that 100% of what we want if we know that it will benefit the most people. But it doesn't mean we're squelching/ignoring values. It seems weird to talk about Fe in terms of values, anyway, since that seems to be more of a Fi word. I mean, sure, I have values. But I don't think of the world or every decision in terms of right/wrong/ethics. Sometimes it's "what is the best outcome we can manage for this situation?" There are definitely some issues that hit my "morally correct" button. But I don't have a values-based opinion on everything. Also, sometimes my personal belief might not really matter or be relevant to the situation at hand. I carefully choose when to fight a values fight. Though I'm sure Fi-ers do that all the time, too.

As a Fi dude I do, although 'feelings' aren't my strongsuit LOL.
 

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So this can potentially be a blind spot for Fe. Sounds like you could convince yourself that it's the right thing to do, but in the end realize that your actions don't feel good to self.
How comfortable would you be to insist on your favorites, like everyone else? Like pepperoni for you, the other toppings might not be their favorites, but tolerable.

Most people are willing to compromise and meet in the middle so that all needs can be generally be accomodated; no one person gets everything; no one will get noting.

Would it be possible for you to pause and take a step back to remind yourself that your views are just as valuable? How much of a stretch is that?

Well now that I think of it, I know that sacrificing things far too much for others sake makes you unhappy. So to prevent others from pulling that trick, I hide my preferences, or if I know the group preference, I will say that is my preference. That way if others try to inconvenience themselves for me, they can't succeed. They would just be serving the group.

If I step back and say: Forever_J, your needs are important too, my brain just says: 'yeah, and you need for everyone to be happy, because it freaks you out way too much when others are unhappy because of you. So forget what you want! ' And so I say, square dancing? I...love...square...dancing. I feel guilty getting what I want if it means anyone else losing out at all. But once I am satisfied everyone is perfectly content with the situation, I can finally relax and enjoy myself. Except I am usually in a shitty situation by the time everyone is happy, because I gave up so much just to get there. So then I get mad that it took that much sacrifice to make them happy. I often forget that ultimately I have been doing this to myself, for myself, in a way.
 

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In my experience, I just let my own view go in favour of what people want, or try to reconcile my pre-existing values with what the group wants. It's not like if my friends say: Let's murder orphans I will murder them just to get along. But a lot of times I am mentally calculating how can I assert what I want while minimizing group discord. Say I was ordering pizza for a social gathering. Just for the sake of metaphor, I know pizza isn't that tied to strong personal values. Maybe my first choice for pizza toppings wasn't pepperoni, but it's my third favourite, and I know most people in the group would be happy with that topping (Johnny is neutral to it, Sally loves it, Jackson said he liked it before if I do recall, etc). But ordering my favourite or second-favourite (let's say it's mushrooms and green peppers) would make Sally and Johnny unhappy, though Jackson would be okay with it. The natural choice would be to order pepperoni.

But does a person have to have Fe to realize that this is the sensible thing to do?

Not so much because I am selfless, but for peace of mind.

This is basically what I was getting at a couple of posts ago, and why I asked if it was really Fe or Fi/Te.
 

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Well now that I think of it, I know that sacrificing things far too much for others sake makes you unhappy. So to prevent others from pulling that trick, I hide my preferences, or if I know the group preference, I will say that is my preference. That way if others try to inconvenience themselves for me, they can't succeed. They would just be serving the group.

If I step back and say: Forever_J, your needs are important too, my brain just says: 'yeah, and you need for everyone to be happy, because it freaks you out way too much when others are unhappy because of you. So forget what you want! ' And so I say, square dancing? I...love...square...dancing. I feel guilty getting what I want if it means anyone else losing out at all. But once I am satisfied everyone is perfectly content with the situation, I can finally relax and enjoy myself. Except I am usually in a shitty situation by the time everyone is happy, because I gave up so much just to get there. So then I get mad that it took that much sacrifice to make them happy. I often forget that ultimately I have been doing this to myself, for myself, in a way.

Sounds like your Ni is making an assumption of the preference of the group as well as the strength of the preference? And your Fe based actions are carried out to prevent others from having to act? (Fe)

I'm just asking for self understanding. This is interesting stuff.
 

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Let's put it another way. What I personally meant by the "social chess game" is that it is the interaction between your actions, other people's actions, the consequences (cost and benefits). What should I do if the person does A), B), or, C)? What are my options now that they just picked C)? I factor in intent, motivation, genuineness my closeness to the person, what is the purpose?, what kind of outcome should be achieved? If I make the wrong move (based on the other person's reaction), I usually try to even out the playing field. It's typically not a manipulative ploy.

Example: A person is annoyed.
A) Ignore them (if I don't know them at all)
B) Try to find out why (I have some sort of relationship w/ them)
C) just pretend that nothing is going on (if it is obviously none of my business or it's between a third party)

I sometimes do a mixture after a certain amount of time.

This is my own personal Fe!

Okay I relate to this, but sometimes what I do is manipulative, it has to be in order for there to be peace...and I mainly apply this IRL when I am working with a group of people, or say, living with a bunch of roommates.

I would rather there be the maximum peace and happiness if possible (unless something is going on that I find completely appalling, like in the case with my family a few years ago) so I would rather shift myself and learn the structure of the people I'm dealing with so that I know how to act around them to have peace, and in those cases I will become annoyed with someone who openly doesn't seem to be "with the program" like my ESFP roommate.

I don't know if this is Fe, or something that simply comes from living around a lot of people and just realize that the sensible thing to do is to make adjustments (like letting minor things go that I don't like, or buying ear plugs instead of harping on a roommate to be quiet unless they're just obnoxiously blasting music or something).
 

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But does a person have to have Fe to realize that this is the sensible thing to do?



This is basically what I was getting at a couple of posts ago, and why I asked if it was really Fe or Fi/Te.

In answer to your question, you're right. I didn't say it was Fe-specific, I set that up for the final paragraph. I said: I would do this, ideally, but I actually do...I wasn't very clear about that though.

In answer to your comment, sorry I missed your post. Maybe it is! But maybe it's just how Fi users do Fe-ish things. Since it's applying Te-utilitarianism to Fi personal values. I suspect my Fi comes from Fe/Ti. Maybe not, just a thought. I remember Solitary_Walker talking about this a while ago and I forget how the conversation turned out.

Sounds like your Ni is making an assumption of the preference of the group as well as the strength of the preference? And your Fe based actions are carried out to prevent others from having to act? (Fe)

I'm just asking for self understanding. This is interesting stuff.

Yes, I guess when you frame it like that, it makes sense.

Also, if I have no immediate, direct info on what they want, my Ni generates a lot of assumptions based on past data that I may be able to extrapolate from to get something to work with. Once the Fe is sufficiently informed/instructed by Ni, it is allowed to act. If that makes sense.
 

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Yes, I guess when you frame it like that, it makes sense. If I have no immediate, direct info on what they want, my Ni generates a lot of assumptions based on past data that I may be able to extrapolate from to get something to work with. Once the Fe is sufficiently informed/instructed by Ni, it is allowed to act. If that makes sense.

I understand. It's the same thing with one who uses Si, except the data is taken more as a 'what it is/face value' rather than the assumptions.
I'm sure the Si based Fe-ers' actions are the same with the same intent.

Thanks for sharing.
 
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