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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Some of the stuff mentioned here I can identify with. You guys make me question whether I'm Fi (again). I just break my own limits at times. So much is conditional, and I'm not sure whether to chalk that up to T or Percieving. I don't think I have core values, other than basic humanitarian concerns.
    Au contraire, conditionality is the heart of Fi. Thinkers are more concerned with hard and fast rules and the same goes for personal values. Making decisions on what feels right in the situation this is very much a Fi process. What you may be thinking of is the Ne factor: when Ne is in the picture you get more of a need to find Fi style 'rules', because of the desire to discover patterns and trends and apply them in their thinking.

    I think ISFPs' Fi manifests in a more 'live and let live' approach - and it seems a lot less offends them in general. More things bother INFPs and we are more reactionary in our Fi - we have a stronger desire to improve or alter things we see as wrong.
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    i'm interested in how Fi types process information and form new judgments. do they happen in the moment? is it a sequential reasoning process leading you to a conclusion? when do you know? what are the conditions of knowing? does it stay with you? do you always remember those moments of knowing? are those judgments tagged so that you can get back to them in vivid detail? how do you stir them and retrieve them?

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    Ha. I have Fi and Ti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    i'm interested in how Fi types process information and form new judgments. do they happen in the moment? is it a sequential reasoning process leading you to a conclusion? when do you know? what are the conditions of knowing? does it stay with you? do you always remember those moments of knowing? are those judgments tagged so that you can get back to them in vivid detail? how do you stir them and retrieve them?
    For me it's kind of a two-stage process. When I'm given a new piece of fact or knowledge, the first thing is to assess it's importance. Do you I need to know this? Is this useful to me?
    The second stage would be the judgement part where it will fall in a scale ranging from 100% support to 100% against. I usually have a strong initial gut-feel about the issue. If necessary, I will get as much info as I can to learn more. You start with a strong but rough idea and then slowly polish it with supporting arguments.

    Where are they stored? Usually in some sort of ROM I guess so it doesn't get overwritten But then I'm INFP so Si is supposedly my main storage/retrieval method.

    Usually they won't be set in stone and I do flip-flop regularly on stuff. Although there are things that will truly disgust me and things that I would love beyond all logical explanation.
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    Fi probably goes something like this:

    1. What is this thought/theory/concept?
    2. Do I consider this "good" or "bad"?
    3. How does the rest of the world feel about this?
    4. To what extent is there an inbalance in how I feel and how the world feels?
    That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third,
    Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
    Of any world where promises were kept,
    Or one could weep because another wept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Some of the stuff mentioned here I can identify with. You guys make me question whether I'm Fi (again). I just break my own limits at times. So much is conditional, and I'm not sure whether to chalk that up to T or Percieving. I don't think I have core values, other than basic humanitarian concerns.
    I don't think I have ever gone through and specifically listed out all of my 'core values', it's more underlying, unspoken almost. And a lot of it is looking at each situation as it comes up and reacting to it almost on a case-by-case basis.

    Still, probably trying to understand those values is a good way to develop ones Fi.
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    Went through all the posts. It seems it is more about understanding your own values rather than observing and analyzing. I am a Ti user. I observe and analyze. But my analysis are based on facts. If I have all the facts I could some to the correct conclusion. But it I miss a fact or two my theories become bogus.

    Interesting. I must be having weak Fi, since I just realized that I am not so much in touch with my own values. But I could imagine a scenario in which if one has and knows his/her own values one could see and understand people around them.

    Fascinating.

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    ^ Understanding one's own values could be a bit hard for a strong Fe user. (Or to someone who depends heavily on Fe.) Fe reciprocates feelings around them. Including understanding values of people around them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    ^ Understanding one's own values could be a bit hard for a strong Fe user. (Or to someone who depends heavily on Fe.) Fe reciprocates feelings around them. Including understanding values of people around them?
    and this is where me (Fi/Se) and my sister (Fe/Si) will often clash. she often has a difficult time understanding my values and ideals.

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Some of the stuff mentioned here I can identify with. You guys make me question whether I'm Fi (again). I just break my own limits at times. So much is conditional, and I'm not sure whether to chalk that up to T or Percieving. I don't think I have core values, other than basic humanitarian concerns.
    well, being a P vs. a J, the core values are also often malleable. it's more so a constant process of evaluating vs. a fixed core. some ideas may become fixed for a period, but once new information is shifted through the value system, the idea may shift along with it as well.
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    I only know flawed people who are still worth loving."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    Interesting. I must be having weak Fi, since I just realized that I am not so much in touch with my own values. But I could imagine a scenario in which if one has and knows his/her own values one could see and understand people around them.
    Understanding these people is one thing, while accepting them is another. I'm not sure if well-developed Fi means you would accept everyone "for who they are" but I shall admit that this situation seldom occurs. I feel I am quite adept at being able to ascertain others' values (because I understand my own and can therefore identify values in a general way); however, it does not mean I always accept a person whose opinions/values differ from my point of view. At worst, I will think:

    This person values things that are totally opposite to what I care about. Nothing productive will come of a relationship with such a person. They're entitled to their own opinions, but i just feel uncomfortable being around someone who believes such things. The best way for me to maintain my solitude and integrity is not to associate with this person any further than a basic pleasantry from time-to-time.

    I'd enjoy it if someone who is more well0versed with Function Theory could elaborate/clarify this issue...
    That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third,
    Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
    Of any world where promises were kept,
    Or one could weep because another wept.

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