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    Quote Originally Posted by violaine View Post
    This is interesting and something I've been pondering lately. Do you think early suppression can mask one's true preference? That one's surroundings can dictate how they develop if they are sensitive to their environment? Possibly meaning that one can gain a facility for a function that isn't a native preference. (Or does behavior dictate which preference is native? I don't think so.) ...Implying that a change in function preference could occur if a person were in a different environment more in harmony with their suppressed but perhaps native functions.
    My thought is that perhaps this is very much true. Perhaps if something prevents one form expressing their natural functions, the function is still there, but didnt get developed very well. I could imagine a variety of ways this might happen, even be parentally influenced. But the later in life it sort of explodes outwards. It sorta of forces itself to the surface, rather than stay sheltered away...this is what I have experienced at least in myself...

    EricB in your example you note Fi and Ti serving suppressive roles. This makes a great deal of sense to me and seems to align with what I have noted in myself. From your understandings, would this also mean that Fe and Te are mutually supressive? Ne/Se and Ni/Si as well?

    As an aside-wrt children-I watch my 3.5 year old intj a lot. It is interesting as he sort of cycles through his functions-the top four Ni, Te, Fi, and Se, but he isnt really using them in concert. He will Ni switch really crazy things and pop out with Te explanations that are utterly incorrect. Other times he will be tyrannically Te. "No mommy, this is this and that is that!" and push me out of the way to take over a task and be hyper senstive to shifts in schedules or be obsessed with catagorizing things (with that crazy ass ni underpinning).

    He will then be very, very sweet and clingy-even say really sweet things. (few people get this sweetness from him <3 ). However the funniest is before bedtime...he just gets more and more active...manically so-Se I presume. Not spastic-but active. jump jump jump jump run run run run jump jump jump jump yell yell yell yell, till I drag him to bed and off to sleep he goes. normally he is actually pretty reserved and quiet, so the pre bedtime activity is very odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by violaine View Post
    This is interesting and something I've been pondering lately. Do you think early suppression can mask one's true preference? That one's surroundings can dictate how they develop if they are sensitive to their environment? Possibly meaning that one can gain a facility for a function that isn't a native preference. (Or does behavior dictate which preference is native? I don't think so.) ...Implying that a change in function preference could occur if a person were in a different environment more in harmony with their suppressed but perhaps native functions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    My thought is that perhaps this is very much true. Perhaps if something prevents one form expressing their natural functions, the function is still there, but didnt get developed very well. I could imagine a variety of ways this might happen, even be parentally influenced. But the later in life it sort of explodes outwards. It sorta of forces itself to the surface, rather than stay sheltered away...this is what I have experienced at least in myself...
    From another thread a few days ago (about CuriousFeeling's INTJ friend):

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    But, I notice he lightens up a bit with kids... his stare becomes less intense, and he's right there with them. It's like he wants to teach them.
    This is an interesting phenomenon.

    I totally lighten up with children, and even moreso with animals.

    I've started to question why, actually, and I think it might have to do with Ni-dom development.

    As children, I think Ni-doms might face the choice of Fe vs Te.

    For whatever reason, some of them might reject Fe, and the other reject Te.

    Those who reject Fe, choose Te, and become INTJs.

    Those who reject Te, choose Fe, and become INFJs.

    I've started to wonder whether this might have to do with Jung's conception of the "shadow".

    Anyway, rejection of Fe might have something to do with fear of opening oneself up to others, due to the potential for hurt.

    With children, and even moreso with animals, the chance for this hurt is lessened, and, as such, we might open up, and start using our Fe.

    I don't know; just a theory...

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    I think you might have a point, here. Perhaps children that develop Fe as Ni users are looking for acceptance in their community? Perhaps they fear some form of retaliation against them, so they want to be as accommodating as possible?
    Awesome that you mentioned that independently, cuz the bolded is exactly what I was thinking.

    I actually wrote it down, but then deleted it, as I didn't want to derail the thread by unnecessarily attacking Fe.

    I hadn't even gotten to thinking of the bolded and underlined, but it would seem to be accurate as well...

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousFeeling View Post
    Interesting concept though, that people develop judging functions as a defense/ coping mechanism.
    Oy, there Ti! Don't start making first principles too fast!

    I haven't thought about this enough with regards to the other types (nor even Ni-doms), so I don't want to start trumpeting its truth too quickly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    From another thread a few days ago (about CuriousFeeling's INTJ friend):
    ^Te is such a strong feature of your type that I would think you'd have to embrace it because of it's own reasons too, no?

    Personally, I was kind of the opposite - I wanted to be more light hearted, friendly, etc.. (basically, like a gazillion other kids). I learned pretty quick though that being that way wasn't going to work (not for me at least). As much as I want to say "Hey, I have feelings and values too", I always end up showing my preferences for Ti to persuade or solve my problems or take the easy route and fight. At this point, I don't even know what a Fi approach is anymore. If I have ethics, it seems to be more like the Ti ethics used in this Vince Vaughn example on the Thomson Wiki.

    Vaughn: The teachers thought I was crazy. I was sort of a wild kid. But I always felt like, if a kid is getting up to give a speech and he's starting to cry, he's gotta go to school with us for the rest of the year, and your f***in' with him, making him stand up there. I'd tell the kid to sit down. And they'd say, "You can't tell him that, it's my class." And I'd say, “Give him a break on the speech, he just f***in’ cried in front of you." What do you want? He's gotta go and hang out, he's gotta go to school for the rest of the day. You want him to sit up there the whole period and cry? And then when high school comes around he's the guy who cried forever? So I would get in a lot of trouble for that kind of stuff. I was always confident enough to say, "This is f***in' crazy."

    He's kind of masking some Fi there too, but he's got Ti reasoning. I'm no different.

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