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    Default Fictional examples of sensing and intuition in action

    I think people often use questionable examples of what is sensing and what is intuition by making sensing incredibly literal and intuition incredibly mysterious. I'd like to see some scenes from TV or movies where people believe a character is using sensing or intuition and how would a person using the opposite perceiving function differ in approach. If this person is using that big ol intuition buzz phrase "connecting the dots" can you use this as an indicator to definitely say whether or not this person is a sensor or intuitive? If people draw the same conclusion, how would you tell how they arrived there?

    I'll start. This is the final scene from The Usual Suspects (w/ spoiler). I believe this is an example of "connecting the dots" via sensing. Agree/disagree? I'm thinking problem-solving would be the easiest area to distinguish sensing from intuition because you can follow mental processes.

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    Another one I can think of is a scene from the most recent Harry Potter movie where Hermoine says, "Actually I'm highly logical which allows me to look past extraneous detail and perceive clearly that which others overlook." Hermoine is usually typed as an SJ which makes this statement a typological oxymoron.

    What are some other examples you can think of?
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    This is long, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post

    Another one I can think of is a scene from the most recent Harry Potter movie where Hermoine says, "Actually I'm highly logical which allows me to look past extraneous detail and perceive clearly that which others overlook." Hermoine is usually typed as an SJ which makes this statement a typological oxymoron.
    Ha, I just saw that last night and I noticed that, too! She seems to start out more ISxJ in the first movies and then move closer to N in every movie. Mind you, it would be strange if her character didn't change at all over so many years and dramatic events.

    I think most of what Luna says is pretty stereotypical N.

    I'll have to think about it for other examples. I have a hard time telling S from N in most characters (other than most action stars reeking of SP).
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    P.S. Carlito is just a metaphor. I don't mean it to be action heavy. Just kind of illustrating how he brings relevant present details to the forefront, makes use of what will work for him quickly. Or something (although I have been chased before myself!). And Benny Blanco is a metaphor for his lack of foresight.

    I think Hermoine is just lying.

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    I’ve often thought this movie smacks of introverted intuition, but it’s really hard to explain why. I think the characters are more sensor-like, but there’s a scene towards the end that- even though it catches the viewer off guard- it (or something similar) was obviously coming. The only way the main character knows that *something* is coming is because of odd, vague postcards and videos that keep being left for him. The *something* is in no way supernatural, it’s just a consequence of people dealing with each other and not paying attention to the affect they have on each other. And while the postcards and videos might seem to have some supernatural origin, it’s only because they come from nowhere and it doesn’t seem possible for them to exist. But my point here is that the postcards and videos (and other messages) strongly remind me of introverted intuition. Somehow.

    And sorry- there isn’t a single scene that would make sense as an example of introverted intuition out of the context of the scenes that preceded it. Here's the trailer:

    [YOUTUBE=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS4VVUYsK44]"Cache (Hidden)"[/YOUTUBE]

    And then this one could probably go either Ne or Ni:

    [YOUTUBE=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V94WIjgQKWM]"from "Sweetie""[/YOUTUBE]

    ^The female character is clearly attaching some symbolic significance to the tree, there are some connections firing off about some parallel in her own life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    I’ve often thought this movie smacks of introverted intuition, but it’s really hard to explain why. I think the characters are more sensor-like, but there’s a scene towards the end that- even though it catches the viewer off guard- it (or something similar) was obviously coming. The only way the main character knows that *something* is coming is because of odd, vague postcards and videos that keep being left for him. The *something* is in no way supernatural, it’s just a consequence of people dealing with each other and not paying attention to the affect they have on each other. And while the postcards and videos might seem to have some supernatural origin, it’s only because they come from nowhere and it doesn’t seem possible for them to exist. But my point here is that the postcards and videos (and other messages) strongly remind me of introverted intuition. Somehow.
    I had this feeling too. Maybe it's the way the entire film is presented - some scenes just seem to scream intuition. It is very hard to explain why, especially if you're trying to explain it to someone who hasn't seen the film.
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    What do people think about problem-solving showcasing reasoning via sensing or reasoning via intuition? I guess I don't want this to get into mysterious or "I can't explain why" territory. Sorry, but I kinda feel like it's a cop out.

    I think it's like watching a movie or TV program twice. When you see it the first time you miss a lot. When you go back and watch it again, you see the clues and setup very clearly and wonder how you missed it. The difference being you weren't looking the first time or you didn't know what to look for, but when you revisit it you see all that you missed. Question is, what would sensing and intuition both overlook and focus on in the first sweep? I think in those details are the tangible differences between sensing and intuition...what you exclude from focus or minimize the importance of being either "sensing" or "intuition."

    Hopefully that makes sense.
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    Not sure I understand exactly what you mean by ‘reasoning’. Do you mean 'thought process'? Was my second example clear enough, or is it still not what you are looking for?

    I’ll have to think about how to explain further about the first example. I made a point of adding there was nothing supernatural going on because I was trying to avoid the mysterious/mystical label myself. I was going for ‘vague’. There are always very tangible reasons for introverted intuition, imo, it’s just that it isn’t always clear. (And it's worth adding that I would think Si would seem just as vague, and just as difficult to explain an isolated film clip of, wouldn't it?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    Not sure I understand exactly what you mean by ‘reasoning’. Do you mean 'thought process'? Was my second example clear enough, or is it still not what you are looking for?
    Yeah, I'm using those terms interchangeably or I haven't made a strong distinction in my mind about how those are difference. I liked your second one I think that was a pretty good example of intuition...not wanting a sick and unhealthy sapling to be her marriage tree or the symbol of her marriage. The trigger was the yellow and withered leaves so it was based on something real...the guys explained it as a mineral deficiency which was probably correct but they didn't attach any significance to it. That was a perfect example, I think.

    I’ll have to think about how to explain further about the first example. I made a point of adding there was nothing supernatural going on because I was trying to avoid the mysterious/mystical label myself. I was going for ‘vague’. There are always very tangible reasons for introverted intuition, imo, it’s just that it isn’t always clear.
    I'm not sure myself, I think I'm trying to make something that has been historically unclear regarding sensing and intuition clear. I don't believe it has to be unclear. I'll let someone else explain what I'm getting at. When people use examples of intuition, I'm a little bit concerned they will veer into you just have to get it or it's hard to explain as a way to bypass an actual justification for why something is intuition. I think your second example didn't bypass that at all...maybe she couldn't explain why she felt so apprehensive towards the tree but it didn't come out of nowhere.

    I like what David Chase, the creator of The Sopranos said about interpreting the final scene of the series...I think he does a better job at explaining what I'm trying to explain.

    On moments during and after the final scene, Chase referred to a scene from the episode "Stage 5", "There are no esoteric clues in there. No Da Vinci Code. Everything that pertains to that episode was in that episode. And it was in the episode before that and the one before that and seasons before this one and so on. There had been indications of what the end is like. Remember when Gerry Torciano was killed? Silvio was not aware that the gun had been fired until after Gerry was on his way down to the floor. That's the way things happen: It's already going on by the time you even notice it." source
    What I am focusing on in his statement that I think parallels what I'm trying to get is when people say "details" as a buzzword for sensing and "big picture" as a buzzword for intuition is there really no such thing as a detail or the big picture. It's just a matter of what you choose to focus on, what you choose to see, what you choose to notice. Everything that you needed to see and notice was there all along, nothing less nothing more just what are you concentrating on.
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    Really, I don't think Se in and of itself makes that many connections. A hardcore Se dom who hasn't developed auxiliary judging much would be mostly living, going with the motions, jumping at fun or personally empowering opportunities, and that's it. Connecting the dots would be related to whatever keeps them rolling.

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