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    Fi checks objective ethic with subjective ethic. Whereas Ti+Fe would observe objective ethics with a critical perspective, Fi+Te observes objective ethics in accordance with inner harmony. Te sees what is good/bad with what is widely accepted as what makes sense. Fi would override this by deciding which goods and evils feel right, and rejects those that don't. I guess.

    a person can't come to creating his or her ethical principles without both functions together. Each create a balance. Pure Fi ethic would be too personal and might hurt others, and pure Te ethic is unquestioning and may hurt the self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    That sounds like your Se talking (so to speak)....of course a Fi-dom's thinking is greatly influenced by their Pe function. We're not living in a bubble...

    Se and just.... introspection too. I mull over plenty of things in both Ti and Ni ways, I think. On one hand, I might examine how something isn't making "logical" sense.. or I might set it all aside at times and every once in awhile find some insight later like Ni types describe. Or, it could be as something as mundane as sitting around reading - and say, I come across a section that's kind of in conflict with some beliefs. I have a choice to be subjective and non-negotiable and put the book aside. Or just keep reading and give it the benefit of the doubt. If it ends up sounding reasonable, I might change my perspective. The way I imagine a "Non-negotiable" person behaving is to just close their ears, say "La la la la la" and stick with their convictions. I have convictions, but even those came about through experience and introspection. It's all an evolutionary process. I wouldn't know the first thing about being so static. This goes without mentioning that Fi is described as having not been influenced by values in culture or on the outside. Which isn't me either.

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    ^ i was surprised by the emphasis on non-negotiability too. i agree that this seems like an outsider's view...

    for instance:
    Until a value is violated, nothing brings out their effort or energy to be involved.
    that's true, to an extent, but it is in a sort of strange light. it's not the way i would ever think of phrasing it. more like i prefer to let others choose their own paths of being until a value is violated. this makes it sound like a hunk of metal that you have to have the right key to start up, but that's not my personal perception of Fi at all. it's not like Fi isn't "on"; it just doesn't take an active role like Fe does.

    ah, i know. the description makes Fi sound cold and rigid. to those of us who posses Fi dom/tert, it rather feels warm and steady.

    and nice guess there, btw, PB. i agree that this feels like an INFJ-y description. it reminds me of the way vicky jo talks about INFPs.

    so. what IxFP volunteers to reword the list?

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    It shouldn't be me. It'd be nice if there were clearer definitions though. More power to whoever does it. I like Lenore Thomson's book (and her definition of Fi), but it's not easy to reconcile exactly with other definitions. There's a lot of conflicting information out there. And the more I take it all into account, the more unclear I am about my own type. Everyone and their mom has a brand spanking new theory (I'm exaggerating, but still). How is a person supposed to rely on things that way? I was sort of just expecting to be a mere participant of MBTI discussion, but it won't be long before I become a full blown theorist, trying to make sense of all of it. Not what I wanted to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    ^ Did you find it negative in comparison to the other type quick references posted thus far? I did....I don't know if that's just me being sensitive though. There's something kind of oversimplified about it too. It's not that I don't relate to it, but it feels very much like someone looking at me from the outside. It doesn't really say anything about how values are formed or how the thought process actually works, as the other descriptions seem to do. Maybe it's that Fi "demands a more than ordinary descriptive or artistic ability before the real wealth of [it] can be even approximately presented or communicated to the world."
    Its a quick reference, should be seen as only that, but a rather good one if you ask me.


    Edit: I just read others response to this. Wow. I think that when I read this, I came to see a person that is very warm, has a lot of good qualities, strong values with a human face. I dont see this as cold, impersonal or anything like that.

    Plus there is no need to rewrite this. This good stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    it's not the way i would ever think of phrasing it.
    Agreed; most of the list reads this way to me too.

    According to these descriptions, all of the altruistic stuff I have done in my life to help other people falls under the purview of Fe motivation. Fi by contrast here appears self-absorbed and extremely rigid.

    It's too simplistic to split them in this manner.

    and nice guess there, btw, PB. i agree that this feels like an INFJ-y description. it reminds me of the way vicky jo talks about INFPs.
    Yes, it felt like that to me as I read through.
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    It seemed pretty neutral to me. Thanks for posting Jaguar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    It seemed pretty neutral to me. Thanks for posting Jaguar.
    You're welcome.

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    So Fi users think the Fe guide is too good and the Fi guide is not good enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    So Fi users think the Fe guide is too good and the Fi guide is not good enough?
    I can't say I remember all too well what was said in either of them, but I will say if FJs have empathy as a gift and FPs don't then the author was high.

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