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    Probably all types are capable of being villains to some degree, but I'm sure most will agree it is VERY hard to be truly villainous if you are an Fe user, simply because Fe users like to adhere to shared values and keep people happy. But I think I have found a possible example of FJ villains in fiction.

    It seems the most likely way an Fe user can be a villain is if they THINK they are helping. Therefore they have to have the delusion that what they are doing will make people happy.

    One possible example is Angela Petrelli from Heroes. I am unsure about her, but I think she might be ISFJ. She always tries to 'protect' her family from the world and discreetly manipulates people while hopefully retaining their trust and love into keeping order and happiness in her families life. However, she is obsessive about this and has caused a lot of trouble because of it.

    Another is Esme Squalor in A Series of Unfortunate Events, who is probably ESFJ. She is often actually quite cruel to some people, namely the Baudelaires, but she is under a delusion that she is making her particular societal influences (Olaf and troupe) happy with her presence and work in his schemes. She thinks her behaviour (including her need to be 'in' all the time) is beneficial to those who are important to her and she is rather conscious of her social standing.

    So, any other FJ villains you can think of?
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    Kadaj, from Final Fantasy VII Advent Children.


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    Okay, okay, I don't really have any idea whether or not Paula Deen is an FJ villain but just seeing her picture tells me that an FJ villain is possible . . .
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    Oh, no, I do not agree at all it is difficult to be a villain if you are a FJ. Quite the contrary. The darkside of EFJs can be the very definition of ego-hunger.

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    Oh, and I would like to offer my grandmother as another example of an ESFJ villain.
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    Real Live (Your mileage may vary on some of these):

    Hitler (INFJ)
    Goebbels (ENFJ)
    Pol Pot (INFJ)
    Charles Manson (ENFJ)
    Jim Jones (ENFJ)
    David Koresh (ENFJ)
    Leon Trotsky (ENFJ)
    Rasputin (INFJ)
    Bill O'Reilly (ESFJ)
    Bloody Mary of Scotland (ISFJ)
    Pope Innocent III (ESFJ)

    Depending on your POV, hick ESFJ pastors from Arkansas who demand niggers to be strung up from lampposts

    Fictional:

    The Operative (Serenity, INFJ)
    Paladin Alexander Anderson (Hellsing, epic ESFJ is E P I C)
    Silas (The Da Vinci Code, ISFJ)
    Manuel Aringarosa (The Da Vinci Code, ESFJ)
    Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca (Angels & Demons, INFJ)
    Nicolae Carpathia (Left Behind series, ENFJ)
    Claude Frollo (The Hunchback of Notre Dame, novel version, INFJ)
    Light Yagami (in the live-action movies he's an evil ESFJ, as opposed to the Manga's walking INTJ stereotype)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Light Yagami (in the live-action movies he's an evil ESFJ, as opposed to the Manga's walking INTJ stereotype)
    I haven'tseen the movie, but I would be surprised at that. I can't imagine an ESFJ being like an INTJ at all, and it seems like a rather rapid departure. Speaking of which, is the movie any good? I heard it's much less intelligent than the anime/manga.
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    In the movies, his sense of right and wrong is derived from having read his dad's copy of the Bushido code, which is indicative of Fe and Si. In the anime/manga it's based on his grand (and very utilitarian) vision of a future rid of criminal scum -- Ni and Fi.

    The movies are kinda crappy, but they're worth watching. They're campy fun.
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    Bloody Mary of Scotland (ISFJ)
    Bloody Mary (Mary I of England) or Mary Queen of Scots? I can definitely see Mary I as some kind of SJ since tradition (especially when it came to religion) was very important to her. She was a bit too fiery/fanatical for an ISFJ though - I think ESFJ wuld be a better fit.

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    Why would it be particularly hard for an FJ? Fe isn't all about "making people happy" it can be about aligning the feeling environment to yourself, as in you're unhappy so you'll drag everyone else down with you, so the group is "harmoniously" unhappy. When an FJ has a temper tantrum they want everyone else to feel it too. Ingroups and out groups are also important, FJs are keenly aware of who's in and who's out.

    I think the 'queen bee' highschool cheerleader 'mean girl' stereotype could be FJ.
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