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    The vertical?

    The zero comes in handy. Is it a number? Come on.
    10-7 = 3

    If you have 7 succeeding eight in the horizontal column you can have only 3 below the eight.
    7+3 = 10.
    In the second horizontal column you have 8 behind the 3. You can have only 2 under the 3.
    2+8 = 10.

    And so on and so on until the sequence is cut by
    11111111. The end of the triangle.
    The reflection gives only back what is.

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    What happened to 9? You've changed to 10. You said 9 was your friend, you LIED!!



    Really though how does the vertical relate to the function order? Is it the "other" types not listed horizontally? Why are some vertical and some horizontal? Which one is E or EJ or similar?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    I would like to take a break from being civil for a while to truely appreciate this moment of revelation but I fear I cannot as my sense of decency will not allow for it.

    Woohoo.
    (That feels so limp)

    I now understand that square though it has nothing to do with ten nor do I agree with what you've done.. It should be the other way up

    I get it. All the type in a table. All the function orders listed. Fantastic. I'll expand later I have guests soon.

    Oh and lastrailway, pucker up I'm going to kiss you when I find you. Bloomin brilliant!

    PS I should not "other way up" in that I think that tables should read down and not up. Other than that I'm all
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Er... just in case you wanted to look at something like this...
    Okay, maybe it could help to visualize it a bit. And the space is for taking notes, I suppose. I couldn't upload the xls.
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    Not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadir View Post
    Er... just in case you wanted to look at something like this...
    Okay, maybe it could help to visualize it a bit. And the space is for taking notes, I suppose. I couldn't upload the xls.
    Splendid. Good show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I would like to take a break from being civil for a while to truely appreciate this moment of revelation but I fear I cannot as my sense of decency will not allow for it.

    Woohoo.
    (That feels so limp)

    I now understand that square though it has nothing to do with ten nor do I agree with what you've done.. It should be the other way up

    I get it. All the type in a table. All the function orders listed. Fantastic. I'll expand later I have guests soon.

    Oh and lastrailway, pucker up I'm going to kiss you when I find you. Bloomin brilliant!

    PS I should not "other way up" in that I think that tables should read down and not up. Other than that I'm all
    Sorry I could not get to the forum.
    I shall try to answer your questions.

    You see the continuum of the 8 that runs through the square. Stop at the fourth number 8. You have number 1 under it. Follow the continuum of 1 down to the end.

    Now you have marked a border. Look at the triangle inside the border.
    You see the vertical column left. Do not touch the border.
    3+2 = 5
    5+4 = 9
    7+6 = 13
    5+4 = 13-4

    You see also the triangle up and down and on the right.

    36 = 9X4

    = 13+13+5+5

    The nine is the key number.

    If the ten makes you uncomfy forget it. Big deal.

    Did you say that ESTP is the complementary partner of INTP? No way.

    The complementary partners stand on a continuum. All the NTs have the numbers (in diverse order of course) seven and four and one and six in the anterior package. This should be reflected in the posterior package of the SP. Save number seven, this is not the case. Their posterior numbers are five six seven and eight.

    What should be the other way up?

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    after much work I end up with the same thing as Nadir- only less colorful- interesting because you can see which function of yours ends up as which function for each other type- but I don't understand why, for instance, my functions don't appear in the order of Se Ti Fe Ni Si Te Fi Ne, as opposed to having the unused functions appear in the middle :sad:

    I also don't understand why in the order of things it goes
    1 Te
    2 Si
    3 Se
    4 Ti
    5 Fe
    6 Ni
    7 Ne
    8 Fi

    why are the Ss and Ns together, but the Ts and Fs split?

    somewhat getting an idea of what's going on, but not completely sure still
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    Wildcat m'man...

    ...

    I normally dig your posts, but I can't figure this bull out. It would probably help if I knew what you were trying to assert. Sounds like you're just looking to challenge yourself, but I'm not sure.

    Also, I'd like to second Whatever's question about why the order is that way.

    Upon reexamining the first post I'm even more convinced that you're just playing with numbers. It's not even about the MBTI now is it? Just the numbers?
    we fukin won boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post


    after much work I end up with the same thing as Nadir- only less colorful- interesting because you can see which function of yours ends up as which function for each other type- but I don't understand why, for instance, my functions don't appear in the order of Se Ti Fe Ni Si Te Fi Ne, as opposed to having the unused functions appear in the middle :sad:

    I also don't understand why in the order of things it goes
    1 Te
    2 Si
    3 Se
    4 Ti
    5 Fe
    6 Ni
    7 Ne
    8 Fi

    why are the Ss and Ns together, but the Ts and Fs split?

    somewhat getting an idea of what's going on, but not completely sure still
    You're getting there but Nadir seems to have the order worked out correctly for ESTPs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Wildcat m'man...

    ...

    I normally dig your posts, but I can't figure this bull out. It would probably help if I knew what you were trying to assert. Sounds like you're just looking to challenge yourself, but I'm not sure.

    Also, I'd like to second Whatever's question about why the order is that way.

    Upon reexamining the first post I'm even more convinced that you're just playing with numbers. It's not even about the MBTI now is it? Just the numbers?
    I believe the whole idea relates back to an old conversation me and Wildcat had on the previous MBTIc incarnation. It's basically a way of representing all eight functions for all sixteen types in one table. It's taken me ages to see it but I think that's what it is.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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