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    Is my opposite type ESFJ or is it one which I share no correlation with?

    This is something I have struggled with. It also messes up all the numbers. You see as you have noted ESFJ and INTP are NOT opposites because both are EJ/IP and therefore similar in one regard. Surely the type which is my opposite is one that has no similarities or am I being too stringent?

    (Oh and forgive my lateness, work went mad today and I had no time online!!)
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    lastrailway, ISFP is 8361, not 2547 (ISFJ, listed twice). Just a nitpick!
    Xander:

    ISFP - 8361
    INTP - 4725
    = 12 10 8 6
    INTP - 4725
    ENTJ - 1638
    = 5 13 5 13

    Knock yourself out!
    Not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Is my opposite type ESFJ or is it one which I share no correlation with?

    This is something I have struggled with. It also messes up all the numbers. You see as you have noted ESFJ and INTP are NOT opposites because both are EJ/IP and therefore similar in one regard. Surely the type which is my opposite is one that has no similarities or am I being too stringent?

    (Oh and forgive my lateness, work went mad today and I had no time online!!)
    The ESFJ/INTP function order is

    Fe Si Se Fi Te Ni Ne Ti

    The yellow and the blue are complementary colours. The opposite ends of the green.

    The continuum is one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadir View Post
    lastrailway, ISFP is 8361, not 2547 (ISFJ, listed twice). Just a nitpick!
    Xander:

    ISFP - 8361
    INTP - 4725
    = 12 10 8 6
    INTP - 4725
    ENTJ - 1638
    = 5 13 5 13

    Knock yourself out!
    see surplus Fe. The post seven. The parallel order of functions by lastrailway.

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    so would the ENTP be the opposite of the ESTP because both in adding or subtracting all of the scores together it's on the opposite side of the circle from ESTP instead of INFJs?

    I'm kind of a bit confused here (and I did quite a bit of math ) somehow I was confused in the first place though since it would actually make more since to me if INFP was the opposite because they have all of the functions that DON'T appear in my top four as thier top 4

    wow- thinking just confused me even more than I was in the first place!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    so would the ENTP be the opposite of the ESTP because both in adding or subtracting all of the scores together it's on the opposite side of the circle from ESTP instead of INFJs?

    I'm kind of a bit confused here (and I did quite a bit of math ) somehow I was confused in the first place though since it would actually make more since to me if INFP was the opposite because they have all of the functions that DON'T appear in my top four as thier top 4

    wow- thinking just confused me even more than I was in the first place!
    Adding and substracting can lead away if the fix is not there.
    Do not worry, we shall have the record straight.

    Let us have the fix

    87654321
    38527416
    25836147
    56781234
    43218765
    74163852
    61472583
    12345678

    I hope there is no typo. The first and the second half should be switched in the fifth horizontal column (read the ISTP from the left and the ENFJ from the right)
    contra the first horizontal.
    The ESTP/INFJ continuum is the 6th vertical column. Top/bottom, respectively. It should swich the parts of the second vertical..
    The ISFJ/ENTP continuum is the third horizontal column.

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    Nothing wrong there. Beware my short sightedness. A literal handycap.

    We can use the ESTJ numbers in the fix and in what is related to the fix.
    Beyond that, we are bound in the original set: 12345678

    Nothing wrong with the application of the ESTJ numbers a priori.
    The subjective numbers can be used objectively in the discernment.
    Not in the definition of another subject though.

    The definition of the subject can only be done from the standpoint of the subject.

    1+4 = 5 = 2+3

    of
    the 12345678 order.

    In each set.

    Does the number theory turn geometry around?
    No.
    It turns only the presentation around.

    A reflection in the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The ESFJ/INTP function order is

    Fe Si Se Fi Te Ni Ne Ti

    The yellow and the blue are complementary colours. The opposite ends of the green.

    The continuum is one.
    A meander to counter your pondering

    Is the MBTI not based on four? Is it in fact based on three?
    The colours are based on three, hence red has no opposite colour per se, only integration towards it's flanking colours. The opposite of red should in fact be green should it not? Ergo the opposite type is not one which simply reverses every letter but one which lies in between two versions of our current preference each lying on our flank?

    I don't think that quite works. I thought it might link to the answer of 9 but now I think not.

    Anyhow the opposite to an INTP should be ESFP in my humble opinion. What do you think?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat "Master of Confusion"
    87654321
    38527416
    25836147
    56781234
    43218765
    74163852
    61472583
    12345678
    Okay so I get the idea that the first row is the reverse of the last but how did you arrive at the vertical sequence? I expected it to be cyclical but it's not.

    As you have referred to the set of numbers given in the OP as specific to ESTJ then what type is each line specific to or is the table ESTJ specific? If it's the whole table then why have 64 entries for 8 functions?

    I know you don't like this line of questioning but I'm determined to understand that damn matrix this time! That's at least the third time you've posted it and it still doesn't make sense yet!
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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