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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkw View Post
    + √3 (i.e. 1.732050807568877...)
    Irrational number???

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustDave View Post
    Irrational number???
    Indeed. I love them. I think it is well agreed that e and phi are among the most beautiful. Square roots are great. Pi is essential, but slightly overrated.

    Ah.

    Time to whip out those Feigenbaum constants.
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    If "thought" is defined as abstracting from reality to consider possibilities/probabilities, then the Rational is going to be less bound by the confines of their surroundings.

    Emotional or moral judgments are necessarily contingent on material reality--they are by nature reactions to it. As someone else pointed out, "I feel..." is purely subjective and cannot be otherwise. The more one is influenced by an "I feel," the less one will be able to consider all the given ramifications of a given postulate.

    "I have observed that..." is less subjective. The core idea being expressed exists independently of anyone considering it, and thus can be allowed to develop and influence related ideas without an "I" imposing subjective restraints on it.

    I suppose the issue here is "free of what?", but the idea of logic as some kind of prison, and of "sidestepping" logic as a means of attaining greater insight or creativity, basically gives you the decision-making process of the Bush administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkw View Post
    Indeed. I love them. I think it is well agreed that e and phi are among the most beautiful. Square roots are great. Pi is essential, but slightly overrated.

    Ah.

    Time to whip out those Feigenbaum constants.
    I'm more of a Planck's constant guy. But to each his own.

    I Googled Feigenbaum constants. Let's just say I got a little dizy around the second paragraph of the article. Way over my head however the graph looked pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Mexico View Post
    If "thought" is defined as abstracting from reality to consider possibilities/probabilities, then the Rational is going to be less bound by the confines of their surroundings.

    Emotional or moral judgments are necessarily contingent on material reality--they are by nature reactions to it. As someone else pointed out, "I feel..." is purely subjective and cannot be otherwise. The more one is influenced by an "I feel," the less one will be able to consider all the given ramifications of a given postulate.

    "I have observed that..." is less subjective. The core idea being expressed exists independently of anyone considering it, and thus can be allowed to develop and influence related ideas without an "I" imposing subjective restraints on it.

    I suppose the issue here is "free of what?", but the idea of logic as some kind of prison, and of "sidestepping" logic as a means of attaining greater insight or creativity, basically gives you the decision-making process of the Bush administration.
    Good points but I've lost interest in this thread. I am not even sure why I keep replying.

    Well, I am off to enjoy a nice dinner with the fam. Peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustDave View Post
    Good points but I've lost interest in this thread. I am not even sure why I keep replying.

    Well, I am off to enjoy a nice dinner with the fam. Peace
    I see.

    No offense, dude, but your posts on this thread make you seem like kind of a dick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Mexico View Post
    I see.

    No offense, dude, but your posts on this thread make you seem like kind of a dick.
    Ah, straightforwardly stated like a true NT! More of such people are needed in these dark and dreary times, where hoards of evil xxFJs attack anyone who frankly states the truth in a less than empathetic manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Mexico View Post
    I see.

    No offense, dude, but your posts on this thread make you seem like kind of a dick.
    None taken. I'm quite the cheeky rascal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkw View Post
    Ah, straightforwardly stated like a true NT! More of such people are needed in these dark and dreary times, where hoards of evil xxFJs attack anyone who frankly states the truth in a less than empathetic manner.
    I think I am pretty straightforward. However, straightforward from a less than rational place could appear a bit scattered to some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Mexico View Post
    I see.

    No offense, dude, but your posts on this thread make you seem like kind of a dick.
    By the way, don't feel like I dismissed you rwell thought out posting. I really did have to leave. And since I know certain Rationals will destroy anything less than a well thought out logical posting I figured it would be best to cut and run.

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