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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    Are you looking in a mirror? I didnt recieve any sensory data that was meaningless, I have a screen, it shows me what people type, my sensory data pulled everything in so I can read the screen, that is the extent of my sensory data. Are you hearing voices again that you dont understand? You lost me.
    I know I lost you.

    This is because SP types are good at just accepting the connections their Ni fills in.

    What they aren't good at is consciously mulling them over, discussing them, etc.

    In fact, I think doing so often almost provokes some kind of anxiety in them.

    Makes them start trying to do things to pull them back into the Se world.

    Questioning the source of their interpretations is antithetical to Se.

    They need to immediately accept as true what it is they see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    Like I said, I go back and forth between Se and Ni. I eat, breathe, and sleep Ti.
    Yes, in the tertiary, your suppression of it isn't as high.

    But it usually is still there, and you'll tend to naturally "use" Se more easily.

    If you succumb to tertiary temptation/your dominant loop, then this will be less the case.

    Even then, though, you'll often be one quick flip away from embracing Se and suppressing Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I know I lost you.

    This is because SP types are good at just accepting the connections their Ni fills in.

    What they aren't good at is consciously mulling them over, discussing them, etc.

    In fact, I think doing so often almost provokes some kind of anxiety in them.

    Makes them start trying to do things to pull them back into the Se world.

    Questioning the source of their interpretations is antithetical to Se.

    They need to immediately accept as true what it is they see.
    Dont think

    What you are talking about sounds like you are referring to ESTP and inferior Ni, not ISTP with tertiary Ni.
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    S'up mo'fos.

    Conscious perception is partisan, but because of the nature of consciousness rather than the nature of perception. Perception itself is a natural amalgam of what we call S and what we call N. But it gets worse. Sensory information, by which I mean neither S nor N but whatever data intrudes on and gets through to your nervous system, is as closely related to perception as a channel of static is to a tv show. Perception, like a tv show compared to static, is sensory signal organised over time. (I say organised, but don't get too hard just yet: it's perceptual organization, not judgment.)

    The Ni+Se organisation allows that sensory information is immediate, but only because it contains elements that can be grouped conceptually and thus is coherent. The Ne+Si organisation resists immediate sensory information as always incoherent. Experience, removed from the moment, is always dissected into elementary parts and current experience is coherent only if some assemblage of past parts can be discovered of sufficient similarity to that current experience that it can be understood to "have" (which is to say, "refer to") content.

    So, what is Ni? In persistent aspect, it is a scheme of concepts that provides organisation for an immediate physical world. In dynamic aspect, it is the construction of that scheme. The construction proceeds by increasingly abstract layering of concepts. The ultimate test of any one concept is whether or not it creates fundamental (which is interesting, as opposed to contingent, which is boring) contradiction within a lifetime system of coherence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Even then, though, you'll often be one quick flip away from embracing Se and suppressing Ni.
    Is it your inferior Se or your dominant Ni that says Se and Ni cant play nice together and build as opposed to tie each other up? I cant ever remember if heat warms up the cold or cold cools down heat either In my mind they just merge and both adjusts to each other.
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    It's an assemblage of the external world in a form that flows and finds a path of least resistance. Like water flowing downstream. It is not manipulation, the path that the external world could plausibly (which I think is a necessary difference between the extroverted counterpart's term "possible") flow towards is chosen.

    So Possible vs Plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    Is it your inferior Se or your dominant Ni that says Se and Ni cant play nice together and build as opposed to tie each other up?
    It's your faulty tertiary Ni that's gone and made an unfounded assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    It's your faulty tertiary Ni that's gone and made an unfounded assumption.
    and what assumption is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    and what assumption is that?
    The accurate one I've been making all along: that SPs tend not to understand the source of their Se's interpretations all that well; they just go with it (it being, whether they realize it or not [and, naturally, not usually being versed in Jungian psychology, they usually don't], what their subconscious Ni tells them it means), which is essentially the same thing you've said yourself.

    Well, that, and its specific and proper application to your flawed assumption that I don't think Se and Ni can play nice together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    The accurate one I've been making all along: that SPs tend not to understand the source of their Se's interpretations all that well; they just go with it (it being, whether they realize it or not [and, naturally, they usually don't], what their subconscious Ni tells them it means), which is essentially the same thing you have said yourself.
    Why would SPs, who prefer Se, utilize Ni at all? They are diametrically opposed functions. Where do you get this?
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