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    When I think of Ni, I think of the the Detective's monologue in V for Vendetta. I think it's a good example of how it can manifest.

    I don't know if that helps anybody.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    When I think of Ni, I think of the the Detective's monologue in V for Vendetta. I think it's a good example of how it can manifest.

    I don't know if that helps anybody.
    I concur, this is an excellent example. Amplified when combined with Te or Fe (in social situations).
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    The clip didn't resonate Ni with me but it could be because it was expansive planning and impersonal (I can't understand enough to picture the mental framework literally). Maybe Te and not Fe. I can spot relational, personal or value related Ni real easy. I also know that some counseling students are INFJ around me so I hear them a lot (the isfjs and isfps are social work which I thought fit type actually)

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    Anyone know about Gundam Wing's cockpit system? It's not the average Ni, but you know... if you want to simplify and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    When I think of Ni, I think of the the Detective's monologue in V for Vendetta. I think it's a good example of how it can manifest.

    I don't know if that helps anybody.
    The quote strikes me as more NeTeFi style. It took a starting point of people, branched out from it in a series of increasingly generalized statements with pivot points that would determine what and how the events would unfold based upon a pattern, based upon Fi observations. A flow chart of human behavior.

    However the pictures and symbolism, the masks, the "V", isnt Ne-ish, and the best I can guess might be NiFe imagery as it is not something I am familiar on a routine basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    When I think of Ni, I think of the the Detective's monologue in V for Vendetta. I think it's a good example of how it can manifest.

    I don't know if that helps anybody.
    Personally, I get a very "Ne" feel, from all of the "connections". It suggests an Ni perspective with the symbology (dominoes all falling in an orderly fashion, etc.).

    I see Ne as being more of a "connect connect connect" seeing common objective/extroverted patterns that all relate to each other, suggesting an underlying order. Ni, on the other hand will just think, "Oh, it's this," and draw a conclusion, and Fe/Te will come along in a second pass and prove/disprove it.

    Perhaps the clip can be regarded as Ne seeing the overall patterns of a partially-executed Ni/Te plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Interesting too ... I need eye breaks, or I get too much feeling input from the other person and can't forge a path forward naturally. Fi needs a moment or two to process, and process my own output related to conversational input. It's a reason why I use pauses, rephrase what the person said back to them to get a few seconds of rest, make sweeping hand gestures at times to force an eye contact break. I need eye space too.

    Again, this may be an introverted thing, required by us each for different reasons?
    I also feel this-it would be of interest to understand how differences in the perceiving functions might influence how we perceive the Fi of the other.

    Doodling is also widespread in Ni/Ne doms and even the Se doms will do it. In sales training with ESTPs, you give them toys to play with and make it okay for them not to look at you while the class is going on. It maybe that it keeps those annoying dominant perceiving functions chewing on useless bubble gum, to give the other functions a chance to play. I listen far better and am far more empathic, if I can be doing something with my hands while I listen and only make occasional eye contact.

    Ni doms....

    Ni always strikes me as pouring deeper and deeper into a given (internalized, subjective) object. A microcosm. Then the Ni flows around and you scoop stuff out. The Ni is the flowing? What if instead of flowing or waiting and catching things out of the "stream", you ignore the stream and just keep going deeper into the internalized object? You just dismiss the movement of the stream altogether? how deep can you go, and what do you find there?

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    Then Ni always strikes you wrong.

    Who goes deeper into an internalised object? Deeper and deeper into the microcosm? How big is a microcosm, anyway? It wouldn't take that much going deeper to burst out the other side like some haemorrhoid of consciousness.

    One prefers not internalised objects but clearer, purer internal representations. What comes before that image, on what core is that content founded, from where does this or that originate...




    Just as zero is the number that is no number, so is Ni the understanding of all things. Oom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Then Ni always strikes you wrong.

    Who goes deeper into an internalised object? Deeper and deeper into the microcosm? How big is a microcosm, anyway? It wouldn't take that much going deeper to burst out the other side like some haemorrhoid of consciousness.

    One prefers not internalised objects but clearer, purer internal representations. What comes before that image, on what core is that content founded, from where does this or that originate...




    Just as zero is the number that is no number, so is Ni the understanding of all things. Oom.
    The particular context/problem is the one of meditation and reaching of "spiritual enlightenment" and how this relates to jungian notions of the self, the ego and the jungian cognitive functions. A link which does a good job of outlining the stages, disregard the spiritual stuff :http://www.swamij.com/types-stages-meditation.htm

    There are several stages in meditation which seem to be reaching for an Ni-ish perspective of the world. A single point focus on one object, an emotional detachment from the external world/past in order to study the object, perceiving the object in many ways-without words, an internalization of the object, a becoming of one with the object, rendering the object a "purer internal representation". Once there internal thoughts are regarding as passing things and disregarded-seemingly a bit like the stream analogy...

    Sitting still in the midst of the thoughts that pass by? In Jungs' Pschcology and the East he mentions a man who looked deeper and deeper into that empty quiet space, peeling back layers and layers, going deeper and deeper to come face to face with the jungian "self"-which might be comparable to your "haemorrhoid of consciousness". Sounds painful.

    i am interested in understanding if the quiet place of silence is actually Ni or if it is a place where external perception has stopped or been disregarded altogether-thus is a no man's land of jungian functions where no perception or judging occurs.

    Id also argue that Ni (infinte) might be a universal rule, but to form an Ni (infinite) you must first define many, many Ni (Sen) and combine them together, otherwise you conclude incorrectly that Ni (Se1)= Ni (infinite) and everyone else doesnt quite see the *universal magic*.

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