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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    The more people try and make Ni seem all mystical, the more I think it's really lame and they're just trying to hide their unexceptional thought process behind some shroud of mystery.
    The more I hear this, the more I see an image of a crusty old blind man griping about how eyesight must be overrated...

    Must be my mystical Ni showing me the truth again...

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    So this means both Ne & Ni as Intuition have the same function, but they have different attitudes, so Ne sees possibilities implied by external objects and Ni sees possibilities implied by images that arise from the unconscious.
    For one quick, short sentence, this is actually a decent summary.

    A lot gets left out though, when you reduce it to just one sentence.

    I mean, we're not talking about something as simple as Fi here...

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    So this makes sense that Ne attempts to change the external world and Ni may just shift perspective.
    Hmmm... Well, if you go by strict MBTI theory, Ne shouldn't really be trying to change anything, as it is not a judging function...

    I've seen other theories, though, like the "Mindframes" one, that keeps the eight functions/mindframes, but throws out the Judging vs. Perceiving dichotomy for an Action vs. Thinking one.

    In that theory, the extroverted functions/mindframes are the "Action" functions/mindframes, while the introverted functions/mindframes are the "Thinking" functions/mindframes.

    Under that theory, Ne is called "charisma" (Ni is called "insight"), and Ne/charisma would very much fit into your idea of wanting/trying to enact change.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    This is why NFPs are obviously waaay cooler than NFJs - we use TWO abstract thought processes as our main forms of cognition, and NFJs just use one, coupled with Fe which is so straight-forward (even if its shallow charm is addictive). Muwhaha!
    But Ni is so much cooler than Ne in the same way Fi is cooler than Fe.

    Ti is just annoying and stupid, so Te is definitely preferable.

    Also, T before F is a must, as head must come before heart, unless you want to be an irrational fool.

    Which is why INTJs are way cooler than both NFJs and NFPs... not to mention NTPs...

    Oh yeah, and Se kicks ass too.




    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    I'm not sure if "pursues external change" is quite correct, but close.
    It all comes down to the theory, I guess...

    This is the problem with theory goggles...

    If you go by MBTI theory, then you can explain it this way.

    If you by Mindframes' theory, then you can explain it the other way.



    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    Oooh, two abstract functions, eh? Well try Ni + Fi on for size, and trying to explain those ideas to the rest of creation! Bwahahahah!
    Exactly.
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    So much psychobable in this thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Of course, I'm Ne. I know that. But what IS Ni??? Every time I read something, I say, "Well that's what *I* do...so what do you Ni-folks do???"
    We create long, mystical diatribes about Ni’s relation to subconscious action and the self actualization of human potential.

    I’ve always thought of Ni as relating to what xNxJs do have a tendency to do. Ni provides the ability for an individual to creatively plan for the future. This is why INTJs will often spend far longer constructing an aesthetically pleasing plan, to the point of not even acting upon it, while an ENTJ is much more likely to create a rough outline and jump into the situation from there. INTJs, being Ni-doms, use Ni to a greater extent than we do and thus place a larger focus on Ni, while for ENTJs it’s quite the opposite. We’ll generally put a plan into action, using a large amount of data, while relying on Ni as back up.

    It’s a difference in quantity: an ENTJ will create a 10-page business plan, while an INTJ will create 20. One INTJ put it succinctly by stating that while an ENTJ will often make far more time-costing errors when they act out their plan than the INTJ, the ENTJ will, nonetheless, typically remain ahead as he put the plan into action much sooner.

    For INFJs and ENFJs, it’s much the same, since Ni merely acts as a way to gather information and construct a plan while the judging function, either Te or Fe, acts to bring it into reality. So while an ENTJ may use his combination of Te and Ni to construct a business plan or to predict the future value of stocks, the ENFJ will use her Fe and Ni combination to organize a social gathering or to figure out a way to resolve a conflict peacefully and civilly.

    On another note, the difference between Si and Ni users can be summarized by acknowledging that while a Ni user will construct plan by combining a collection of data and relating them to each other to create a coherent whole, Si is focused upon analyzing what has worked in the past and then using the Judging function to act upon it. "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it” , is almost a statement upon Si.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post

    Foreseeing implications, transformations, and likely effects
    I think Ni tends to be focused on the big picture and the future. It involves transforming a situation or problem with a meta perspective and comes up with a different or new way of seeing things. You look at things broadly, holistically, synthesizing lots of different pieces of information or concepts, perhaps identifying patterns in the complexity. You come up with an answer, not sure as to how you got it, and then tend to work backwards to prove it or communicate to others. You come up with a key insight as to why a particular thing happens or vision/sense/feeling as to what will happen in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    No matter how many threads I read or how much info I accumulate, I am still puzzled by the differences between Ni and Ne.

    I hope I get it one day.

    Of course, I'm Ne. I know that. But what IS Ni??? Every time I read something, I say, "Well that's what *I* do...so what do you Ni-folks do???"
    It is simple I believe. You can think of Ne as "diverging" and Ni as "converging". Ne looks for more and more possibilities and Ni hones in on the one it thinks is important.

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    While Ni may have a singular unshakable vision, Ne wants to explore all of the possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra
    a crusty old blind man griping about how eyesight must be overrated...

    Must be my mystical Ni showing me the truth again...
    psh Ni is like a crusty old blind man.

    only "sees" what it wants to, and doesn't do anything about it except complain that no one else gets it!





    edit - WOOO post 1111! i should have saved this for 11/11/11. damn it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    I'm not sure if "pursues external change" is quite correct, but close. Your suggestion of "Ni shifts perspective for the sake of it" is pretty darn good, at least w/r to understanding Ni as a dominant function. It's probably just "shifting perspective" considered as a function alone, rather than as a type. Might I suggest "ponders external possibilities" for Ne? I've always had a sense of looking for new things that don't necessarily exist, for Ne, not merely acting on and changing the world, which is more of a Te/Fe thing.


    Oooh, two abstract functions, eh? Well try Ni + Fi on for size, and trying to explain those ideas to the rest of creation! Bwahahahah!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra
    Hmmm... Well, if you go by strict MBTI theory, Ne shouldn't really be trying to change anything, as it is not a judging function...

    But Ni is so much cooler than Ne in the same way Fi is cooler than Fe.

    Ti is just annoying and stupid, so Te is definitely preferable.

    Also, T before F is a must, as head must come before heart, unless you want to be an irrational fool.

    Which is why INTJs are way cooler than both NFJs and NFPs... not to mention NTPs...

    Oh yeah, and Se kicks ass too.
    Well, I was referencing the Jung quote on the "change" thing....I think it means change in a conceptual way, not literal action. So pretty much the same thing as searching new possibilities, yes.

    Pleeeease....your aux function is Te, pretty much the embodiment of practicality. Bo-or-ing! Face it, you'll never be abstract to the point of sheer uselessness & incomprehensibleness (is that a word?) like an INFP. We win! Er....
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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Awwwwww... there's the other voice of "Why does Ni get to seem so special and I don't!"ness...

    It's ok... we all know you're just jealous... it's so cute how your squishy little Ne gets all upset that she can't comprehend her big brother...
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    ^ actually i think it's more like irritated/jealous Fi calls a spade a dirty old hand shovel.

    Ni can't be a brother anyway... no P-ness...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sherlock Holmes View Post
    Wow. I'm confused. One person says Ni is about looking at things from different perspectives and another says Ne explores all possibilities while Ni is focused on a singular vision.
    Ni is P under dichotomy of J. There is no contradiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Awwwwww... there's the other voice of "Why does Ni get to seem so special and I don't!"ness...

    It's ok... we all know you're just jealous... it's so cute how your squishy little Ne gets all upset that she can't comprehend her big brother...
    Ni is not synonymous with narcissistic asshole, no matter how much you guys are trying to argue that point.

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    Okay look, here's the way it works: the answers have already been given. Did anyone notice that? If you did, you're Ni. If you didn't, Ni's pretentious.

    And how is it that focus is being understood as limit? "Ni just..." focuses on the one point? It focuses on your ass. Ni is introverted, you morons, not focused on one points. Ni doesn't join together information? Again, pull your head out of your extroverted tool set. "Information" does not mean only concrete data points. That's what you join together. What I join together is concepts. Abstract renderings, embodied as they appear to me in realistic musings, but still not "information", right?

    Dudes, seriously, if you're going to come up with significant "Ni is just..." stories, you could do with being able to see before I do where you're drawing your inspirations. (And in as much as you're primarily using extroverted tools to get you're pictures, you're screwing yourselves from the beginning by only discovering what Ni users look like. And displaying your inabilities. This story about pretension, it amounts to "If I tried doing what they say they're doing, I know I'd be making it all up and being shallow.")

    So, humperdinks, fire up some definition that actually defines, rather than merely relates or collates. Account for the existence of the long view.


    And I warn you now--adequate use of extroverted tools, ahoy--, almost any limitation you assert will apply in form to your own functions. If you are capable of discovering truth or virtue with your introverted function, just what do you think I'm not capable of performing with mine?
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