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    Default What matters more - Type or Gender?

    If we remove a statistical preference for Te/Ti vs. Fe/Fi (more women are F and more men are T), what matters more in understanding someone -gender or type? All things being equal (from a type perspective), how does one gender vs. the other differ in the way they:

    - Relate with others
    - Communicate
    - Think
    - Make decisions
    - Act/behave

    I recall reading Men are From Mars, Women are from Venus and it seemed like a comparison between stereotypical male/female MBTI types but perhaps this is a wrong assessment.

    Gender differences - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A few quotes from the above Wikipedia article:

    "In the big five personality traits, women score higher in Agreeableness (tendency to be compassionate and cooperative) and Neuroticism (tendency to feel anxiety, anger, and depression)."

    "Males are generally more aggressive than females. There is evidence that males are quicker to aggression and more likely than females to express their aggression physically. However, some researchers have suggested that females are not necessarily less aggressive, but that they tend to show their aggression in less overt, less physical ways. For example, females may display more verbal and relational aggression, such as social rejection."

    "When measured with an affect intensity measure, women reported greater intensity of both positive and negative affect than men. Women also reported a more intense and more frequent experience of affect, joy, and love but also experienced more embarrassment, guilt, shame, sadness, anger, fear, and distress. Experiencing pride was more frequent and intense for men than for women."

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    A few more relevant tidbits below. A lot of it seems like T vs F. I don't know....

    "Misunderstandings stem from differing interaction styles
    Men and women have different ways of showing support, interest and caring
    Men and women often perceive the same message in different ways
    Women tend to see communication more as a way to connect and enhance the sense of closeness in the relationship
    Men see communication more as a way to accomplish objectives
    Women give more response cues and nonverbal cues to indicate interest and build a relationship
    Men use feedback to signal actual agreement and disagreement
    For women, "ums" "uh-huhs" and "yeses" simply mean they are showing interest and being responsive
    For men, these same responses indicate is agreement or disagreement with what is being communicated
    For women, talking is the primary way to become closer to another person
    For men, shared goals and accomplishing tasks is the primary way to become close to another person
    Men are more likely to express caring by doing something concrete for or doing something together with another person
    Women can avoid being hurt by men by realizing how men communicate caring
    Men can avoid being hurt by women by realizing how women communicate caring
    Women who want to express caring to men can do so more effectively by doing something for them or doing something with them
    Men who want to express caring to women can do so more effectively by verbally communicating that they care
    Men emphasize independence and are therefor less likely to ask for help in accomplishing an objective
    Men are much less likely to ask for directions when they are lost than women
    Men desire to maintain autonomy and to not appear weak or incompetent
    Women develop identity within relationships more than men
    Women seek out and welcome relationships with others more than men
    Men tend to think that relationships jeopardize their independence
    For women, relationships are a constant source of interest, attention and communication
    For men, relationships are not as central
    The term "Talking about us" means very different things to men and women
    Men feel that there is no need to talk about a relationship that is going well
    Women feel that a relationship is going well as long as they are talking about it
    Women can avoid being hurt by realizing that men don't necessarily feel the need to talk about a relationship that is going well
    Men can help improve communication in a relationship by applying the rules of feminine communication
    Women can help improve communication in a relationship by applying the rules of masculine communication
    Just as Western communication rules wouldn't necessarily apply in an Asian culture, masculine rules wouldn't necessarily apply in a feminine culture, and vice verse."

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    I think type is more important than gender. A T female probably comes in communication and behavior as more like a T male than as an F female. Same sort of thing goes for F males. They too resemble F females more than T males.

    Sure, societal gender pressures can make T behaviors in females and F behaviors in males more subdued, but if you're a T, you're a T if you know what I mean.
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    Type. Gender is meaningless if you go deep enough into knowing someone.
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    It's important to mention the "behavior VS cognition" dichotomy once again.

    I think an ESFJ man and an ESFJ woman might think (cognition) very similarly, but might behave differently.

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    ^ agree with the three responses above, and especially for NFP males and STJ females, both of whom often contradict the stereotypes. even as an F female i feel like some of these stereotypes aren't really applicable to me at all. they seem rather culture-bound. this seems important too...

    Quote Originally Posted by the wiki article
    Julia T. Wood [the person who made that bulleted list up there] describes how "differences between gender cultures infuse communication." These differences begin at childhood. Maltz and Borker’s research showed that the games children play contribute to socializing children into masculine and feminine cultures. For example, girls playing house promotes personal relationships, and playing house does not necessarily have fixed rules or objectives. Boys, however, tended to play more competitive team sports with different goals and strategies. These differences as children make women operate from assumptions about communication and use rules for communication that differ significantly from those endorsed by most me.
    i think it's in part biological - women tend to act more as social glue for evolutionarily reasons, and men tend to be loners and leaders, which means women are less competitive (at a very, very deep level) in general - and i think that's very reflected in our communication and behavior - but at the same time, i wonder how much of it is culture-infused. from day one we are exposed to these thought paradigms, so really, it's no surprise if we begin to reflect them.


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    anyway, in terms of understanding someone, i suspect that has a whole lot to do with a whole host of other variables... family histories, ethnicities, how strictly you were raised, your SES, sexual orientation of both people and whether there is any potential attraction (which can lead to either better or worse understanding), social circles, your interests, your aspirations and goals and dreams, etc... on the whole i feel like similar life experiences tend to trump both type and gender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moiety View Post
    It's important to mention the "behavior VS cognition" dichotomy once again.

    I think an ESFJ man and an ESFJ woman might think (cognition) very similarly, but might behave differently.
    Oh yes, this is a good point. On the other hand, I think an INTP male and female would probably interact rather similarly with others. They rarely possess many distinctly masculine or feminine characteristics.
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    I'm going to pose that I think gender results in more difference than type, on average. The evidence is all around us.

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    First you ask which one impacts our understanding of each other more (if I'm understanding you correctly), but then you pose that genders are more differentiated from each other than types. Can you more clearly define what your question is, Highlander?

    If it's the second question you insinuated in your more recent post, then I think you're comparing apples and oranges and asking "Which one tastes more fruity?" In fact, I think that's the tone of this whole thread.

    My gut tells me our genders have greater effects on social awareness, followed by our preferences for either extraversion or introversion.

    Our predilections for genders affect our understanding of others more so than typology because everyone except for scandalous, hooker craving politicians draws distinctions between the genders, whereas typology is very obscure.

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    my feeling is gender defines.......
    i NEVER use mbti outside this forum though.. 99.99% of people i know don't know what the fuck mbti is.

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