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    Default Do you think that MBTI would be a useful tool in criminal profiling?

    I think since it is simply a categorical system it would be more reliable than a lot of profiling methods and would be quite useful in predicting the persons movements. So long as you didn't draw your conclusions too early, I think it would be quite useful. But I'd like to hear what you think.
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    Well I think most profiling systems are flawed and prevent people thinking outside the box a lot of the time which can have terrible consequences when it comes to apprehending the worst offenders, plus they give rise to all kinds of learning fails when they are integrated into training. People learn the minute detail, which can result in a sort of knowing the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law, if you know what I mean.

    It also would require really accurate information, a lot of self-report information would be inaccurate, you've got to allow for all the input fails or errors and all of that takes resources, possibly away from the real perps too.

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    The problem with profiling is that you have to be REALLY good in order to be able to do anything with it because it has to deal with so much ambiguity. Usually the worst problem with profiling (IMO) is reading too much into something, rather than allowing the ambiguous to remain ambiguous.

    I also think that people who are good at it are good temperamentally: It's not really the training that makes the difference, it's the innate perspective and flexibility inherent within it. The training just gives words to what they already see. Along those lines, maybe MBTI would give them language by which to express what they already see; but in criminal profiling, they're focused on specific known patterns of criminal/sociopathic behavior and are sort of beyond MBTI as a language. There's already language that exists within their lexicons for traits that appear in MBTI.
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    what makes you think it hasn't already been used for that purpose? i think one of the most useful pieces of information would be whether someone was istj or intp or what not - it would spell out where/under what circumstances they would slip up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    what makes you think it hasn't already been used for that purpose? i think one of the most useful pieces of information would be whether someone was istj or intp or what not - it would spell out where/under what circumstances they would slip up.
    I don't know if it's in use. I was just asking if it would be a good thing to use. I haven't heard of it being used before though. And I agree. If you could figure out someones type from their motive, choice of victims, method of killing etc. it would probably be easier to predict their decisions based on a types natural inclination.
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    I definetly see pros and cons to this. If there were some way where we could pinpoint the exact type of the accused, then yes absolutely, typology would most likey be a great help to try and explain actions and try and retrace steps.

    I find the problem is that it is hard to properly identify someones exact type without also having some context in regards to their life.

    It also depends on who the identifer is as well, an NF person would probably have an idea of what he/she thinks the accused is, and any ques that they receive would lead them to making very quick assumptions. And if the criminal was incorrectly identified, then its like the blind leading the blind.

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    a good thing to use in terms of effectiveness, or in terms of ethics? because its totally contrary to what the test makers want it to be used for.

    i dunno about predicting behaviors exactly, thats hard to do... i like the idea of trying to infer where they will slip up...... where exactly, can they get sloppy? a sloppy or stressed INTJ will cover certain tracks better than a sloppy ESFP would..... yanno what i mean? and where/when did they go wrong or break down? that is key to know....

    to continue using an ESFP/INTJ comparison, the ESFP running-from-the-law vs intj, i think would be more prone to hedonism and indulgence, and i would set up screening stations based upon that, their vices! Catching the INTJ is probably going to be tricky by comparison, or more subtle. An INTJ will have their vices in control or check, or IF they need to release them, will do so in a very controlled, to-their-own environment situation.

    an INTJ criminal will have property, because they might buy a farm to do their criminal shit in privacy and in control. a criminal ESFP would run around, find a random farm/deserted place to do whatever, then burn it if needed, then get the hell out of dodge.

    differences!!

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    yes. they'd never suspect me

    seriously though, it's a fascinating idea, but i'm afraid that the potential stereotyping it would lead to would outweigh the potential benefit. perhaps our rates of catching criminals would rise a bit but we would also analyze what type is most likely to be criminal, etc., and in what situation, and i fear a courtroom where a personality typing is used against someone as "evidence".

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    yes. they'd never suspect me

    seriously though, it's a fascinating idea, but i'm afraid that the potential stereotyping it would lead to would outweigh the potential benefit. perhaps our rates of catching criminals would rise a bit but we would also analyze what type is most likely to be criminal, etc., and in what situation, and i fear a courtroom where a personality typing is used against someone as "evidence".
    That's a good point. Well I guess IF they ever implemented it, they would have to be careful to avoid that and to keep what types the criminals were a fairly close secret.
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