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    I'm sorry if this isn't the place to ask but i'm quite desperate, a favorite MBTI board of mine has just completely disappeared and i'm trying to find where it has gone. The url used to be jfmb.ipbfree.com a couple ppl there were Estella and the banned (on this forum and most others) Jack Flak, if anyone could help me find it, i would be extremely extremely grateful. I think many people disagreed with his ideas. If you would like to discuss them, i'd be glad to offer what i can, though my reading on MBTI is somewhat limited. I don't have a full list of the theory but simplified it went something like this:


    INTP:
    Primary Intuition
    Secondary Thinking
    Introverted

    ENTP:
    Primary Intuition
    Secondary Thinking
    Extraverted

    INFP:
    Primary Intuition
    Secondary Feeling
    Introverted

    ENFP:
    Primary Intuition
    Secondary Feeling
    Extraverted

    INTJ:
    Primary Thinking
    Secondary Intuition
    Introverted

    ENTJ:
    Primary Thinking
    Secondary Intuition
    Extraverted

    INFJ:
    Primary Feeling
    Secondary Intuition
    Introverted

    ENFJ:
    Primary Feeling
    Secondary Intution
    Extraverted



    For S's it's all similar, just switch N with S.

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    I think the most logical way to do it is with functions. Introverts mainfunction is introverted (Ni, Si, Ti, Fi) and their secondary is extraverted (Ne, Se, Fe, Te) and for extraverts, it's the other way around. Ni, Ne, Se and Si are perceiving functions, which are primary in extraverted Ps and secondary in introveted Ps (and primary in introverted Js and secondary in extraverted Js. Whichever section is not filled (primary and secondary) will be a judging function (Te, Ti, Fe, Fi) and these functions correlate to your N/S and F/T. The primary function will be I or E depending on your I and E preference.

    For example, as an INTP, my primary function is Ti, because I am an introvert, so my primary function must be introverted, and as an introverted perciever, my primary function is a judging one. I am a T so it becomes Ti. My secondary function must be an extraverted function that is the opposite type to the first, ie perceiving. Since I am an N, this is Ne.

    After the first two, there is debate as to what the order of functions is.
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    *grumbles* sure... sensors don't deserve to have their shit spelled out like the intuitives do
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    *grumbles* sure... sensors don't deserve to have their shit spelled out like the intuitives do
    haha, sorry, was short on time, boss was about to walk past me at any moment lol.



    I think the most logical way to do it is with functions. Introverts mainfunction is introverted (Ni, Si, Ti, Fi) and their secondary is extraverted (Ne, Se, Fe, Te) and for extraverts, it's the other way around. Ni, Ne, Se and Si are perceiving functions, which are primary in extraverted Ps and secondary in introveted Ps (and primary in introverted Js and secondary in extraverted Js. Whichever section is not filled (primary and secondary) will be a judging function (Te, Ti, Fe, Fi) and these functions correlate to your N/S and F/T. The primary function will be I or E depending on your I and E preference.

    For example, as an INTP, my primary function is Ti, because I am an introvert, so my primary function must be introverted, and as an introverted perciever, my primary function is a judging one. I am a T so it becomes Ti. My secondary function must be an extraverted function that is the opposite type to the first, ie perceiving. Since I am an N, this is Ne.

    After the first two, there is debate as to what the order of functions is.

    Jack's system kinda simplifies all of this. There are no introverted/extraverted functions... it's simply N, S, T, and F. INTP is simply Primary-N and Secondary-T. Introversion/Extraversion is independent of them. So an ENTP is very similar to an INTP, except for the fact that he's extraverted. Unlike traditionally, where ENTP is Primary-Ne and INTP is Primary-Ti

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    i like Jack Flak's task theory.

    maybe it's time to post it here;


    In my various travels in the real world and beyond, I have noticed that different individuals of one type sometimes seem to possess demeanors which contrast in predictable ways. The first two types I recall noticing this in were ENTP and ISTJ.

    ENTPs who are socially integrated in the way they happen to desire, and who are respected for their creativity in that context, tend to be more expressive, and seem happier. I call them ENTP-alpha. ENTPs who, by my assessment, desire to be in this situation but are mis-matched with the social environment they find themselves in, tend to be less expressive overall, and seem quite often displeased. I call them ENTP-beta. Many ENTPs are neither obviously alpha nor beta, sort of a "medium ENTP," and I call them neither alpha nor beta.

    ISTJs who are trusted to perform well in an occupation, do so, and are respected for it, tend to possess an air of satisfaction and confidence. I call them ISTJ-alpha. ISTJs whose capabilities either fail to meet an arbitrary standard of excellence, or whose capabilites are not matched with a proper job of work, such as if they're unemployed, tend to possess an air of bewilderment at "what's gone wrong." I call them ISTJ-beta. In contrast with ENTPs, the alpha and beta of ISTJs seems to be quite polar, almost binary. Further observation, of course, is required.

    With the terms I use, alpha and beta, I refer to nothing but the greek letters; It is simply a convenient method of categorization, and not intentionally related to the concept of "alpha males," or the like. (Though an alpha under my defintion is probably more likely to be such an "alpha male," truth be told.) Of imperative note is that I believe these qualities are the result of subject-object interplay. That is, often entirely changeable from without. Perhaps ironically, at present it seems likely that very intelligent ENTPs are more likely to be beta than alpha, so I hope it's especially clear that I don't consider the term "beta" derogatory.

    Theoretically, I think this concept may be useful for every type, according to each type's motivations and means of satisfaction. I plan to continue analysis down this avenue, which I suspect will be most helpful in the pursuit of understanding behavior...And indeed, helpful at discovering the means to increase individuals' general satisfaction with life.

    +This theory occured to me as the common base for all types, during contemplation of the alpha/beta paradigm: A Universal Theory of Social Satisfaction


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    As I conceptualize these "traits," they are not innate, but functions of the relation between oneself and one's environment. So I claim that if the environment is changed from one which is likely to induce an "alpha state" to one which is likely to induce a "beta state," or vice versa, said state will eventually change in the individual.

    Such qualities are likely oft mis-categorized as "innate" personality traits in the social sciences, because environment tends to stay stable. Consider the case of the ENTP-beta. Often ridiculously intelligent, and one could argue too intelligent to be perfectly satisfied (socially) on Earth today. But if they were cryogenically preserved for 500 years, they may find themselves in an alpha-inducive environment.

    In sum, by my best assessment and with some help from at least Tangerine and Keirsey...

    Social functions/means of social satisfaction, with specific focus on actual activities of individuals (As opposed to end-results):

    INTP: Creation/provision of very unique logical ideas
    ENTP: Creation/provision of logical ideas which are likely to be employed
    INFP: Embodiment of moral "nobility"
    ENFP: Advisement on meaning and purpose

    ISTP: Intensive real-world problem solving
    ESTP: Extensive real-world problem solving
    ISFP: Creation/provision of art of any variety
    ESFP: Bringing of joy

    INTJ: Task supremacy based on present group desires
    ENTJ: Command with respect to achievement of goals
    ISTJ: Reliable task completion based on present group desires
    ESTJ: Rule construction and implementation

    INFJ: Intensive distress alleviation, direct and indirect
    ENFJ: Extensive distress alleviation, direct and indirect
    ISFJ: Resource management/provision, both concrete and abstract
    ESFJ: Embodiment and active transfer of cultural norms

    ...And the (more tentative) effects of each type's activities:

    INTP: Availability of alternative solutions
    ENTP: Indirect advancement of efficiency in general
    INFP: Group cohesion, stability, and extension
    ENFP: Group cohesion, stability, and extension

    ISTP: Direct advancement of group success
    ESTP: Direct advancement of group success
    ISFP: Group cohesion, stability, and extension
    ESFP: Group cohesion, stability, and extension

    INTJ: Increase of group efficiency
    ENTJ: Indirect advancement of group success
    ISTJ: Increase of group efficiency
    ESTJ: Group cohesion, stability, and efficiency

    INFJ: Group cohesion, primarily, also stability and extension
    ENFJ: Group cohesion, primarily, also stability and extension
    ISFJ: Group stability, primarily, also cohesion and extension
    ESFJ: Group stability, primarily, also cohesion and extension

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    not to be blunt, but I always thought that system was oversimplified... there's a major difference in how my ISTJ and I use our Sensing and Thinking functions, despite the fact that we're both STs
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    not to be blunt, but I always thought that system was oversimplified... there's a major difference in how my ISTJ and I use our Sensing and Thinking functions, despite the fact that we're both STs
    not that i agree with JF function order, but he is acknowledging that difference: you are S dom, ISTJ is S aux. so that's the difference in using S, according to him.

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    yeah... his descriptions were ALL off for me... that and he had a weird idea that I was an NF all of the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    yeah... his descriptions were ALL off for me... that and he had a weird idea that I was an NF all of the time
    ha ha ha .

    whenever jack gets mad at me types me as ESFJ.

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