User Tag List

123 Last

Results 1 to 10 of 24

  1. #1
    Babylon Candle Venom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    1w9 sp/sx
    Posts
    2,128

    Default Intuitives and Indolence

    Indolence:
    Noun
    indolence (plural indolences)
    Habitual laziness or sloth.
    born with an incurable indolence of mind and body
    Indolence and vacillation were legibly impressed on his appearance and expression.
    Intuitiveness:
    in·tu·i·tive/inˈt(y)o͞oitiv/Adjective
    1. Using or based on what one feels to be true even without conscious reasoning; instinctive.
    This isn't a thread about "N's are lazy in comparison to S's" (though maybe we are!). This is about how I feel most S's CANT HELP but FEEL/THINK that N's are lazy.

    <> I specifically prefer the word "indolent", because to me it evokes the "physical" sense of laziness. Sure, an INTP who learns physics on his own time might not sound lazy, but an INTP who is so indolent that he barely takes of himself sure sounds lazy.

    <> ENFJ talks to ESFJ about "how the world works". They'll both agree that "ya....xyz is true now...its the only way possible these days". The ENFJ will think, "who cares if its true! I dont have to like it, and i refuse to just plow through it". The ESFJ will find the ENFJ to indolent and think, "just man up and DO IT".

    <> The whole "idea" of being intuitive sort of "enforces" laziness. You are literally taking mental short cuts! To the N's, we are just smart enough to see that A often leads to D, so why bother dealing with B and C? The S's think we're indolent for not going through the whole stupid progression of A B C D.

    <> Many N's try to focus on the "bigger things" in life. S's often are first concerned with their physical comfort. Thus, could we see S's blaming N's as lazy, and N's blaming S's as "productivists"?


    Any thoughts on this?

  2. #2
    pathwise dependent FDG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    7w8
    Socionics
    ENTj
    Posts
    5,908

    Default

    Yeah, it's absolutely true. I definitely appear quite lazy when compared to most S types, even if I may work more than them, play more sports, etc. they're just more focussed on...always...doing...something, kind of?
    ENTj 7-3-8 sx/sp

  3. #3
    Senor Membrane
    Join Date
    May 2008
    MBTI
    INFP
    Posts
    3,190

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    they're just more focussed on...always...doing...something, kind of?
    Yeah... Weird enough, when I point out to them what I did during the last month or last year, it is often obvious for the both of us that I actually do more than they from that point of view. I have actually more results to show. They just need to be doing something in a way that makes me think they are just trying to utilize all the time they have with tasks that are aimed at a certain concrete objectives. So, time-wise they do more than me.

  4. #4
    Senior Member Trentham's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w4
    Posts
    304

    Default

    I encounter this phenomenon on a daily basis at work (I'm an analyst). I'm notorious around the office for skipping steps I find unnecessary and for not being more diligent in "showing my work." Truthfully my results are no less accurate than my STJ contemporaries, but I appear lazier because I don't feel the need to flesh out every single minute detail.
    83% I 70% N 64% T 73% P | 5w4 sp/so/sx | Chaotic Good

  5. #5
    Babylon Candle Venom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    1w9 sp/sx
    Posts
    2,128

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Trentham View Post
    I encounter this phenomenon on a daily basis at work (I'm an analyst). I'm notorious around the office for skipping steps I find unnecessary and for not being more diligent in "showing my work." Truthfully my results are no less accurate than my STJ contemporaries, but I appear lazier because I don't feel the need to flesh out every single minute detail.
    I think this might be why so many S's dont take MBTI seriously.

    XSXX adult talking to an XNXX kid:
    "well yes, of course those bigger things matter, and of course as you get older you gain that intuition, but at your age...it just comes off as laziness!"

    XSXX kid talking about an XNXX adult:
    "I think Mr XNXX is just lazy. I dont think he actually believes all that deeper meaning and big picture bs...at least thats what my SJ mother says whenever I mention what Mr XNXX tells me!"

  6. #6
    Senior Member Trentham's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w4
    Posts
    304

    Default

    Nothing bores an S more than having nothing to "do."

    Nothing bores an N more than having to "do" something they feel is unneccessary or irrelevant.
    83% I 70% N 64% T 73% P | 5w4 sp/so/sx | Chaotic Good

  7. #7
    PEST that STEPs on PETS stellar renegade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    MBTI
    ESTP
    Posts
    1,446

    Default

    I've thought that about a few Ns, but I've known way more who do work pretty well. In fact, I might even be lazier than them. At least from an SJ perspective. I'm always finding something to play with, and my hands are constantly itching to do something. Even when I'm searching for something on Google and the search cues come up, I know I could just scroll down to the search terms I want, and sometimes I do because I love shortcuts too, but sometimes my fingers are just itching to type and I want to type the whole string of terms out. haha.

    Same way with this group I used to meet up with, where we'd play instruments and sing songs, and before we would usually talk about deep subjects, but after awhile I'd get so tired of the talking and I'd just pick up a drum and the group leader would say, "I think Justin's ready to start..." hah.

    My ISFJ girlfriend certainly thinks I'm lazy, and I am, under a certain definition. But not in that I'm not doing anything. It's usually because I'm doing too many "other" things that are too much like play.

    Sometimes Ns seem to be careless about tangible concerns, though, no matter how immediate. I went out with an ENFP who seemed to be pretty lazy about her bank account. I was trying to help her bail herself out so she didn't go under but she just seemed to have this, "Oh well" attitude about it. It puzzled me.
    -stellar renegade
    coo-oo-ooool this madness down,
    stop it right on tiiiiime!


    Badass Promoter ESTPs:
    [sigpic][/sigpic]

  8. #8
    Senior Member Chloe's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    2,204

    Default

    I think laziness is defined wrongly. It's defined by Ss.

    In definition it should be OR instead of AND.

    born with an incurable indolence of mind OR body
    99,99% people consider me lazy, but I am lazy for house work like cleaning and washing laundrey, while my sister who is ESTJ is lazy about reading something new, but it's only that her laziness is acceptable and mine isnt.

    Also, N is all about change just not on spot immediate change. It appears more lazy but I dislike the word because it's SJ word.. so yeah of course Ns are indolent/lazy in Ss views and definition.

    It reminds me of "you cant be an artist, you should get a real job" thing.

  9. #9
    Reptilian Snuggletron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    MBTI
    INFP
    Enneagram
    10
    Posts
    2,233

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Trentham View Post
    Nothing bores an S more than having nothing to "do."

    Nothing bores an N more than having to "do" something they feel is unneccessary or irrelevant.
    you have the right idea, although of course it's not always an exclusive rule. Since Sensors are usually more sequential people, they seem to want to gather up all the parts. The Ns might miss stuff when they skip the parts the S's pick up, but they're probably better at improvising when they do miss things.

    It's hard to say for me though, I'm a pretty lazy person, but I sometimes think there are pieces of fat to be cut from certain activities people insist on running through with. I'll take a risk in leaving minor procedures and details out when I can rig just as good results if the pay off is maximum fun-time efficiency

    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade
    Even when I'm searching for something on Google and the search cues come up, I know I could just scroll down to the search terms I want, and sometimes I do because I love shortcuts too, but sometimes my fingers are just itching to type and I want to type the whole string of terms out. haha.
    I'll do this too, I just like typing the stuff out even though google will just give me the best suggestions. I just think it's annoying sometimes when a search engine cuts me off mid sentence and thinks it knows what I wanna search for... >:/

  10. #10
    PEST that STEPs on PETS stellar renegade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    MBTI
    ESTP
    Posts
    1,446

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Petra Pan View Post
    It reminds me of "you cant be an artist, you should get a real job" thing.
    Psh, I'm about to prove everyone wrong on that with this next career move. Also, I'm getting my degree at the Art Institute.

    Quote Originally Posted by SNUGGLETRON View Post
    you have the right idea, although of course it's not always an exclusive rule. Since Sensors are usually more sequential people, they seem to want to gather up all the parts. The Ns might miss stuff when they skip the parts the S's pick up, but they're probably better at improvising when they do miss things.
    Huh? SPs are masters of improvisation. I'm not a sequential person at all, I'm spontaneous. SJs are the masters of sequence.

    Quote Originally Posted by SNUGGLETRON View Post
    It's hard to say for me though, I'm a pretty lazy person, but I sometimes think there are pieces of fat to be cut from certain activities people insist on running through with. I'll take a risk in leaving minor procedures and details out when I can rig just as good results if the pay off is maximum fun-time efficiency
    That's me. Are you an SP, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by SNUGGLETRON View Post
    I'll do this too, I just like typing the stuff out even though google will just give me the best suggestions. I just think it's annoying sometimes when a search engine cuts me off mid sentence and thinks it knows what I wanna search for... >:/
    Guess so.
    -stellar renegade
    coo-oo-ooool this madness down,
    stop it right on tiiiiime!


    Badass Promoter ESTPs:
    [sigpic][/sigpic]

Similar Threads

  1. Sensing, Intuition, and Glasses
    By ssrprotege in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 42
    Last Post: 08-12-2008, 12:56 PM
  2. [MBTItm] Extroverted Intuition and dogfights!
    By entropie in forum The NT Rationale (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ)
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-15-2008, 06:03 AM
  3. Extroverted Intuition and Megolamania
    By SolitaryWalker in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 62
    Last Post: 03-21-2008, 12:04 PM
  4. Extroverted Intuition and Religion
    By SolitaryWalker in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 77
    Last Post: 02-12-2008, 02:20 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO