User Tag List

123 Last

Results 1 to 10 of 68

  1. #1
    PEST that STEPs on PETS stellar renegade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    MBTI
    ESTP
    Posts
    1,446

    Default Temperament-Style Groupings

    We all have our different ways of grouping items and people together. I think it'll be interesting to explore this topic and examine whether we all really talk like this or not, along with coming up with more groupings for each temperament.


    This is Keirsey's word on what kinds of groups each of the four temperaments like to talk about (which I find to be true):

    Guardians (SJ) - clusters/bunches/stacks - (flock of geese, pool of cars, bunch of grapes, grove of trees, crowd of demonstrators)

    Artisans (SP) - sets/arrays/varieties - (golf clubs, knives, office furniture, football players, acting cast, wines)

    Rationals (NT) - sorts/distinctions/categories - (differing arts, differing sciences, differing philosophies, differing personality types)

    Idealists (NF) - classes/genres/types - (canine animals, evergreen plants, Westerners, indie music)


    Explanation:

    SJs talk about groups of similar or indistinguishable groups because they're the measurers of society, measuring time, taking inventories, sorting goods into containers, etc. They're also the temperament best at organizing.

    SPs talk about sorts of things such as various wines because they're the artists of society and the masters of variety and spotting opportunities. Thus they can pull together the strengths of various items, using them interchangeably like a ninja warrior twirling nunchucks one second and throwing chinese stars the next.

    NTs talk about sorts of things because they take great pains to distinguish one type of thing from another so as to not get them confused. Their distinctions can get deeper and deeper, creating more efficiency and thereby evoking accusations of splitting hairs.

    NFs talk about classes of things, grouping things together, especially humanity, claiming that we are all essentially the same (and thus have become the greatest civil rights speakers). They stress similarities and love to see the ties that bind, such as Jane Goodall studying chimps and admiring the similarities between them and humans.
    -stellar renegade
    coo-oo-ooool this madness down,
    stop it right on tiiiiime!


    Badass Promoter ESTPs:
    [sigpic][/sigpic]

  2. #2
    PEST that STEPs on PETS stellar renegade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    MBTI
    ESTP
    Posts
    1,446

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Keirsey
    Then there are the Rationals, who tend to speak more of difference than of similarity in both kind and degree. Thus, while Rationals are busy differentiating ideas, Idealists are just as busy integrating ideas; while Rationals are segregating ideas, Idealists are aggregating ideas; while Rationals are analyzing ideas, Idealists are synthesizing ideas. Thus Rationals are into sorting, while Idealists are into classifying.

    What other kinds of groups can we come up with? (I came up with some of those mentioned in the first post.)


    Sorts:
    • the members of the band Arcade Fire
    • wardrobe of clothes
    • set of tattoos
    • the smileys on the right panel of the post input box
    • different browsers (Firefox, IE, Opera, Chrome)
    • the different cities in the US (wild L.A., all-business NY, upbeat Austin, crazy Seattle)


    Clusters:
    • Asians
    • floor space
    • product inventory
    • working hours
    • amount of cash


    Sorts:
    • different countries
    • male and female genders
    • trigonometry vs. geometry


    Classes:
    • the human race
    • indie music
    • the green movement
    • locally grown produce
    -stellar renegade
    coo-oo-ooool this madness down,
    stop it right on tiiiiime!


    Badass Promoter ESTPs:
    [sigpic][/sigpic]

  3. #3
    Sugar Hiccup OrangeAppled's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    MBTI
    INFP
    Enneagram
    4w5 sp/sx
    Socionics
    IEI Ni
    Posts
    7,661

    Default

    I'm having trouble distinguishing the difference in all of these....it's almost too concrete for me; the examples are too specific. I'm finding they all sound very similar, and so I see myself in all of them to varying degrees.
    Often a star was waiting for you to notice it. A wave rolled toward you out of the distant past, or as you walked under an open window, a violin yielded itself to your hearing. All this was mission. But could you accomplish it? (Rilke)

    INFP | 4w5 sp/sx | RLUEI - Primary Inquisitive | Tritype is tripe

  4. #4
    ⒺⓉⒷ Eric B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    548 sp/sx
    Socionics
    INTj
    Posts
    3,438

    Default

    I've heard of this "differential vs integrative thinking" difference before, and it was even once used to suggest that I was an NF because I liked to match up and combine the different theories. But then that's also what Keirsey himself, and Berens, whoo follows him have done, and in their case (as well as mine), I would attribute that to Ti's identifying of underlying frameworks. That perspective will naturally tend to bind things together. They are the same principles, under different names, or rearranged somewhow.

    So there may be some truth to this somewhere, but it is a matter of sorting out in which cases it applies.
    I would imagine NTJ's might more strictly fit the "differential" mold, and NF's integrating might be regarding more personal, ethical, emotional topics, rather than logical structures.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

    Temperament (APS) from scratch -- MBTI Type from scratch
    Type Ideas

  5. #5
    Senior Member Jaguar's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    12,420

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I'm having trouble distinguishing the difference in all of these....it's almost too concrete for me; the examples are too specific. I'm finding they all sound very similar, and so I see myself in all of them to varying degrees.
    Agreed. I use all of them.

  6. #6
    i love skylights's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    MBTI
    INFP
    Enneagram
    6w7 so/sx
    Socionics
    EII Ne
    Posts
    7,835

    Default

    yeah... i feel like in certain areas of life some groupings are more applicable and some groupings are less.

    i understand what you're getting at and i think it's cool, but i think it's at a much more subtle level than this. like, how we classify our own thoughts and feelings might run this way, but i don't think keirsey was trying to say this is how we talk so much as this is how we tend to separate and cluster info in our own minds.


    btw all your NF stuff just strikes me as fluffy/emo a clusterfuck of bunnies, etc.

  7. #7
    PEST that STEPs on PETS stellar renegade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    MBTI
    ESTP
    Posts
    1,446

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    yeah... i feel like in certain areas of life some groupings are more applicable and some groupings are less.

    i understand what you're getting at and i think it's cool, but i think it's at a much more subtle level than this. like, how we classify our own thoughts and feelings might run this way, but i don't think keirsey was trying to say this is how we talk so much as this is how we tend to separate and cluster info in our own minds.
    Actually, Keirsey is definitely saying that this is the way we speak. He capitalizes on observable behavior, because stuff inside your head can't be nailed down and is of little to no use (that is, thinking about one's thoughts).

    Of course everybody talks about all these different types of groupings for different reasons all the time. The good doctor is just talking about preferences. For instance, a Guardian might talk about their collections (which tend to be sets) sometimes.

    The thing here is, I know that I prefer to talk about sets of things. I love to talk about variety, and dwell on topics about weird, mixed-up teams of different races and genders like on Captain Planet, or the different albums I own, or different parts of the city. I love to drink of life's deep varieties.

    Next, I'd rank my preferences this way:

    2) Sorts
    3) Clusters
    4) Classes

    Clusters interest me next to last because they ignore variety and harp on dull similarities. That's why for me, sorts are next because they provide distinctions. And classes interest me the least because on top of talking about same-old similarities, they talk about them in the abstract, further giving me a headache.

    I find Idealist talk to be too fuzzy for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    btw all your NF stuff just strikes me as fluffy/emo a clusterfuck of bunnies, etc.
    That's the way a lot of you think, though. hah. I getcha, though.
    -stellar renegade
    coo-oo-ooool this madness down,
    stop it right on tiiiiime!


    Badass Promoter ESTPs:
    [sigpic][/sigpic]

  8. #8
    Senior Member KDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    8,263

    Default

    What category does "Family Rodentia" fall under? I used that in a sentence once and an ESTJ has never let me live it down.

  9. #9
    Senior Member angelhair45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    7w6
    Socionics
    ENFp
    Posts
    312

    Default

    Interesting. I'm an NF, but I definitely relate to the NT classification the most. I am a sorter to the extreme as much as it bothers me sometimes. I can go on for days about differences between things.
    http://bohemianextrovert.wordpress.com/
    Please excuse the long drawn out ramble above.
    I have to hear what I've said before I know what I think.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  10. #10
    Carerra Lu IZthe411's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    2,591

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    What category does "Family Rodentia" fall under? I used that in a sentence once and an ESTJ has never let me live it down.
    Yeah I know an ESTJ who runs jokes into the ground. I really really really wish he would let it go.

    I guess his Si is telling him when he says it- it gets laughs. I'm about wreck his Si.

Similar Threads

  1. MBTI+: Political personality traits, temperaments, and learning styles
    By Sparkykun in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 12-12-2017, 09:53 PM
  2. 10 musical artists/groups you're *really* into atm
    By disregard in forum Arts & Entertainment
    Replies: 170
    Last Post: 12-03-2017, 12:47 AM
  3. [MBTItm] Should ISTP and ESFP both be SP Artisians grouped within the same temperament or not?
    By RaptorWizard in forum The SP Arthouse (ESFP, ISFP, ESTP, ISTP)
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 10-19-2013, 03:53 AM
  4. Temperaments (Social Styles)
    By sdalek in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 04-05-2009, 09:30 PM
  5. Minor overlapping tendencies in temperament groups?
    By Athenian200 in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 09-26-2007, 01:42 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO