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    Yeah, I can fly. Aleksei's Avatar
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    If you were in a shadow loop, you'd show INFJ traits, not ISTJ. Becoming the type opposite your own means you've taken on your stress shadow, which means you're probably, err, burnt-out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    If you were in a shadow loop, you'd show INFJ traits, not ISTJ. Becoming the type opposite your own means you've taken on your stress shadow, which means you're probably, err, burnt-out.
    I'm not quite sure on your point here, but thanks... your opinion is one of many on the shadow/loop theories.

    I doubt it was burnout, though burnout does do something to me. What happened to me happened because of a series of circumstances in my early life... or at least that is my theory any way.
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    Yeah, the whole shadow thing messes with my head too. I think I learned a lot from the "other me". Whatever the other me is. I think he knows how to buy good wine though

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelhair45 View Post
    Man that would throw me if ended up being an ENTP. If you look at my function order my Ti is very low, so I'd be a pretty unhealthy ENTP if I was one... I'm pretty certain about my type, as certain as anyone can be about type, I guess. I do think I was in an ISTJ shadow or stuck in some kind of loop many years (I'm in process of researching these concepts to determine).
    The functions are part of my whole difficulty with certain theories of typology. What does introverted thinking really mean to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    The functions are part of my whole difficulty with certain theories of typology. What does introverted thinking really mean to you?
    Ti is precision of logic -- pure and simple. Ti attempts to find that which is objective and logically precise based on its own framework of definition of concepts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    The functions are part of my whole difficulty with certain theories of typology. What does introverted thinking really mean to you?
    Your getting my Ne going

    Since I always test low on tests for Ti I've not really thought much about Ti past the definition of:
    Ti seeks precision, such as the exact word to express an idea. It notices the minute distinctions that define the essence of things, then analyzes and classifies them. Ti examines all sides of an issue, looking to solve problems while minimizing effort and risk. It uses models to root out logical inconsistency.[22] In the ENTP, Ti analyzes the constant stream of information that Ne provides. Ti develops structure and reconciles any inconsistencies in the ENTP's belief system. However, Ti cannot match the activity of Ne, which leads the ENTP to juggle multiple projects and theoretical enterprises at any given time, in various stages of completion.
    But I went and looked into it more and found this. Introverted Thinking

    So now I believe my Ti is higher than I originally thought.

    I'm still convinced I'm an ENFP, (but always open to find out I'm wrong) My life demanded me to exercise ISTJ traits from around the age of 5. I HAD to be that way to survive for years, and then chose to be that way for the church... I was absolutely miserable because of it, but I can still exercise a lot of those traits, never happily though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelhair45 View Post
    Your getting my Ne going

    Since I always test low on tests for Ti I've not really thought much about Ti past the definition of:

    But I went and looked into it more and found this. Introverted Thinking

    So now I believe my Ti is higher than I originally thought.

    I'm still convinced I'm an ENFP, (but always open to find out I'm wrong) My life demanded me to exercise ISTJ traits from around the age of 5. I HAD to be that way to survive for years, and then chose to be that way for the church... I was absolutely miserable because of it, but I can still exercise a lot of those traits, never happily though.
    It just sounds like abstract logic to me.

    I think the crux of the matter is that in order to be really good at strategy or abstract logic, you need to be able to differentiate between concepts. But in order to be really good at diplomacy and abstract emotional processing, you need to be able to integrate concepts and approach things in a much more holistic fashion.

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    I remember reading that site before, and although I don't totally get the page you linked, this is definitely good material for explaining how an SP goes about life:

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    but I LIKE doggies better than football players
    haha. I do, too. I think it more or less depends on the way you approach the groupings. An SP is more likely to point out the differences between all the doggies, whereas an SJ will more likely say, "It's just another dog, big deal." lol. They could say the same about football players.

    ...as in, all football players are dogs.
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