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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Okay, I guess I should make my point more explicit...

    I'm not saying other people can't help you gain perspective on yourself, or even have valid insights about your personality that you aren't conscious of.

    I'm just saying it should always be taken with a grain of salt.

    Body language is ~50% of communication.
    I hear you in reference to body language being meaningful but it can also be deceptive. Some individuals have clear body language, others are muted.

    Isn't it like anything else? Garbage in, garbage out? The more you understand yourself, where your words and actions don't conflict, the easier it is for others to type you. Also, the more clear your thoughts translated into words, the easier.

    But it also depends on the quality of the individuals doing the typing. The more cognitive function knowledgeable, as well as objective abilities to view the "subjects", the better the results. Kasper didn't type me directly. She showed me some excerpts from multiple types which discussed inferior functions. Bang, nailed! Wonky Fi.

    I also hear you about the grain of salt. If something doesn't ring true, the individual should intuitively know/feel it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    How do you look at 'before cognition'? And can you not view videos 'on the internet'?


    If you want to argue about the plausibility of typing via an indirect means, lets. Words still contain enough degree of information. Although, there are definite disadvantages, enough honesty can usually determine a most suited label for the average person. Some are slightly harder, of course.
    Okay, I wasn't specific enough here.

    I really meant typing people from posts (and not posts where someone's listing personality traits off for the purpose of being typed) is stupid.

    I think I have my logic bases covered now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    I hear you in reference to body language being meaningful but it can also be deceptive. Some individuals have clear body language, others are muted.

    Isn't it like anything else? Garbage in, garbage out? The more you understand yourself, where your words and actions don't conflict, the easier it is for others to type you. Also, the more clear your thoughts translated into words, the easier.

    But it also depends on the quality of the individuals doing the typing. The more cognitive function knowledgeable, as well as objective abilities to view the "subjects", the better the results. Kasper didn't type me directly. She showed me some excerpts from multiple types which discussed inferior functions. Bang, nailed! Wonky Fi.

    I also hear you about the grain of salt. If something doesn't ring true, the individual should intuitively know/feel it.
    See, I think that mentality is problematic, too.

    Suppose you subconsciously favor thinking of yourself as a certain type (type x). Now, if someone tells you, "you are probably type x", even if they are wrong, it's going to feel "intuitively right" because, well, it is psychologically beneficial in the short term to feel that. At this point, you could settle on the wrong type and not feel the need to question it as much.

    (This is only true given my assumption that wrong typings are more frequent on the internet, I guess.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    See, I think that mentality is problematic, too.

    Suppose you subconsciously favor thinking of yourself as a certain type (type x). Now, if someone tells you, "you are probably type x", even if they are wrong, it's going to feel "intuitively right" because, well, it is psychologically beneficial in the short term to feel that. At this point, you could settle on the wrong type and not feel the need to question it as much.

    (This is only true given my assumption that wrong typings are more frequent on the internet, I guess.)
    Can you expand on the bolded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Can you expand on the bolded?
    People want to feel good about themselves. The subconscious steps in to distort reality in a way that feels good. Everybody does it.

    Your only recourse is to use your consciousness to constantly fight your own biases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    People want to feel good about themselves. The subconscious steps in to distort reality in a way that feels good. Everybody does it.

    Your only recourse is to use your consciousness to constantly fight your own biases.
    Maybe so but isn't this assuming that people want to be the type that's suggested? I didn't care which NT type. They were all fine with me. And I know I don't try to fit myself into my type, although playing into the stereotype can be tongue-in-cheek fun.

    Anyways, it looks like you're struggling with your type right now so my pushing this any further could be treading on uncomfortable ground. And if you're as explicit as you come across on TypoC, you might not find "Was that really me?" by Naomi Quenk helpful which discusses inferior functions (thanks again, Kasper). It's not scientific but for me, it hit hard. A backwards way to define type by pegging the way your inferior function reacts.

    One thing's for certain and probably fairly obvious. I'm no expert on MBTI so aren't a member who has the expertise to type anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Maybe so but isn't this assuming that people want to be the type that's suggested? I didn't care which NT type. They were all fine with me. And I know I don't try to fit myself into my type, although playing into the stereotype can be tongue-in-cheek fun.

    Anyways, it looks like you're struggling with your type right now so my pushing this any further could be treading on uncomfortable ground. And if you're as explicit as you come across on TypoC, you might not find "Was that really me?" by Naomi Quenk helpful which discusses inferior functions (thanks again, Kasper). It's not scientific but for me, it hit hard. A backwards way to define type by pegging the way your inferior function reacts.

    One thing's for certain and probably fairly obvious. I'm no expert on MBTI so aren't a member who has the expertise to type anyone.
    I dunno, I guess your mentality is fine if you're past some threshold of believing your type.

    I'm just saying, when you're in the questioning stage (especially at the point you're asking other people their opinions), you should be extremely wary of the information you're getting. Especially when people have such limited perspective on your communication style.

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    yeah. that's true, about short-term satisfaction. like the entire day where i thought i was an INFJ

    i think though, that if we pull back and ask, so what if we and/or they have their type wrong?, it's not really that big of a deal. even those of us who have gotten quite familiar with MBTI have occasional oh-shit moments where we realize we've had something off. not that i'm advocating ignorance. just that my day as an INFJ didn't have many significant negative impacts, really, besides feeling dumb later. i just was trying to use a hammer on a screw, so to speak. it wasn't working, and i figured that out soon enough.



    it would be fascinating to meet in person with someone of your type who is very, very different than you.

    has anyone had this experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    It's easier to believe people in your type have your views. When that assumption is challenged, either you a) accept that your assumption is incorrect or b) change your perception of the other person's type. I keep seeing option b all over the place.
    I agree and don't understand why people try so hard to prove someone else wrong about their own personality. This doesn't include analyses like the "Video Challenge" thread, but an analysis based off a bunch of words on a screen. From an MBTI site:

    "Does the MBTI tool stereotype people?

    No, the MBTI tool does not stereotype. Among the basic principles of the instrument, as stated in the Introduction to Type® booklet written by Isabel Briggs Myers, are the following:

    * Each type has special gifts.
    * Each person is unique and expresses type in a unique way.
    * There are no right or wrong types.
    * You are the final judge of your own psychological type; your MBTI results suggest your type based on your responses, but the individual is the final judge of his or her own type.
    * Type does not explain everything; humans are complex.
    * Type may be used to understand and forgive, but never as an excuse.
    * Become aware of your type biases to avoid negative stereotyping.

    Some persons who use the MBTI tool may not be aware of their type biases and may stereotype persons based on MBTI type. This is NOT a proper use of psychological type. "
    Speculations and suggestions are different from forcing a type onto someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5231311252 View Post
    I agree and don't understand why people try so hard to prove someone else wrong about their own personality. This doesn't include analyses like the "Video Challenge" thread, but an analysis based off a bunch of words on a screen. From an MBTI site:



    Speculations and suggestions are different from forcing a type onto someone else.
    Thanks, I think you articulated my point a bit more clearly than I could.

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