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    So Other Psychology Topics or MBTI....? Ahhmmm... dunno. Whatever.

    So, intensity. Being intense. Having intense, ah... stuff.

    I have wondered if intensity of, say, feeling is not perhaps sensibly measured in terms of the absence of mitigation. Or, in more normal language, feeling is the more intense for not having other judgments stood in its way.

    Perhaps there is some effect from attention too. If one is skilled or at least practiced at attending to and discriminating among feeling whatsits, tones or something, then there's a legitimacy added to feeling some feelings. So one is more aware of feeling them.


    I suppose the thinking correlate is rigor. Not as sexy as intensity, but one can talk about being "hard", I guess. Rigorous, straight up.... hard.
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    Hard can be sexy!

    But please, go easy on the NF's sometimes. We've got feelings too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    So, intensity. Being intense. Having intense, ah... stuff.

    I have wondered if intensity of, say, feeling is not perhaps sensibly measured in terms of the absence of mitigation. Or, in more normal language, feeling is the more intense for not having other judgments stood in its way.
    Are you talking about intensity of expression or of impression?
    Because I think inhibition is implicated in the former. And lots of things act as inhibitors, including other functions, yes.
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    kalach...i hope you get some sort of odd thrill knowing your posts require more than one read.

    and! i still have to ask for clarification....so just what are you saying? feelings are more intense when you're a perceiver? or the opposite because through the attention of judgment they become more intense?

    or...did i miss it entirely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    So Other Psychology Topics or MBTI....? Ahhmmm... dunno. Whatever.

    So, intensity. Being intense. Having intense, ah... stuff.

    I have wondered if intensity of, say, feeling is not perhaps sensibly measured in terms of the absence of mitigation. Or, in more normal language, feeling is the more intense for not having other judgments stood in its way.

    Perhaps there is some effect from attention too. If one is skilled or at least practiced at attending to and discriminating among feeling whatsits, tones or something, then there's a legitimacy added to feeling some feelings. So one is more aware of feeling them.
    Let's take an INFP. They would be very attuned to the nuances of their own feelings. Their function order is Fi > Ne > Si > Te. Since their auxiliary and tertiary are both perceiving functions, those would be the only things that could reasonably balance the Fi judging function. So if Ne isn't strongly developed, would that lead them to be more intense? I don't know if that's it. What makes someone type A type personality? I wonder if this has more to do with Enneagram than MBTI.

    edit: Stuff like this comes to mind as having something to do with it Enneagram Instinctual Subtypes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    kalach...i hope you get some sort of odd thrill knowing your posts require more than one read.

    and! i still have to ask for clarification....so just what are you saying? feelings are more intense when you're a perceiver? or the opposite because through the attention of judgment they become more intense?

    or...did i miss it entirely?
    If that's the case, I think that I experience Fi in a "rigorous" manner at times. I thought it was interesting to read this descripton of Fi in ITJs. I'm not like this exactly, but I kind of relate. Fi isn't always bubbly or creative (or intense) but a means of defense, independence -and in FPs, a means of controlling or protecting outside circumstances. There's a rigourous nature to it in all types (generally more positive or universalistic in dom or aux though).

    As a Tertiary Function, Fi typically leads ITJs to retreat into solitary actions that have no constructive worldly effect but are aimed at providing a justification for calling themselves good people. Another example is obsession with the purity of one's soul. For example, being a vegetarian while working at Taco Bell--not out of any great love for animals (the person might hardly know anything about what cows are like), but to be able to say, "Well, at least I never ate any animals." Or engaging in pointless acts of honor, like maintaining super-self-control or "doing one's duty" or going down with the ship. Nothing is gained by going down with the ship; it's a hyper-introverted act aimed at providing a rationalization for one's goodness without regard to real-world consequences. Nearly all of these tertiary-Fi acts involve refraining from action viewed as unethical rather than taking positive action that would accomplish something. They're a retreat from the world--or rather, a rationalization for disregarding worldly matters.

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    I have just wondered from time to time where "intensity" got its currency. And I observed seeming things like, for example, feeling loses its intensity if you make a choice or have something appear to you that alters your judgment of the legitimacy of that feeling, and some competing feeling judgment arises.

    Also, say, if one spends most of their conscious time attending to thinking rather than feeling about something (and if one does other stuff to stabilise oneself along the way), then feeling... mellows out? Doesn't have the immediate purchase on one that it might? One has alternatives for focus and "intensity" of feeling goes by the wayside?

    There's potentially a follow up conclusion too. If one spends time saying, Lor', I feel SOOOO intensely! then one might say in reply that, well, you have other resources too and could use them as well, or if intensity is where it's at for you, then so be it.

    And maybe one could add in something like, intensity is your measure and that's a good thing.


    An ENFP guy I know used to complain about intensity of feeling--or at least, he used to react badly to being publicly outed as "sensitive"--and it seemed to me that sensitivity isn't actually a liability. It's a skill that one can hone over time allowing one to become an expert in what is right and wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Are you talking about intensity of expression or of impression?
    Because I think inhibition is implicated in the former. And lots of things act as inhibitors, including other functions, yes.
    Naively talking of intensity of affect.

    It would seem too I'm assuming a distinction between affect and judgment. Which I just now started wondering about as an assumption: if feeling is a judgment function, is that judgment more sophisticated than the (original) affect, and is that judgment performed somewhat purely or is it, ah, guided by thinking?

    Presumably we can say feeling judgment is some kind of generalised product of feeling affect. As such it is automatically influenced by other functions?


    Goodness, I keep on wondering where people store their judgments. Or how a judgment gets to be a judgment. Or even what a judgment is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Naively talking of intensity of affect.

    It would seem too I'm assuming a distinction between affect and judgment. Which I just now started wondering about as an assumption: if feeling is a judgment function, is that judgment more sophisticated than the (original) affect, and is that judgment performed somewhat purely or is it, ah, guided by thinking?

    Presumably we can say feeling judgment is some kind of generalised product of feeling affect. As such it is automatically influenced by other functions?


    Goodness, I keep on wondering where people store their judgments. Or how a judgment gets to be a judgment. Or even what a judgment is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    I have just wondered from time to time where "intensity" got its currency. And I observed seeming things like, for example, feeling loses its intensity if you make a choice or have something appear to you that alters your judgment of the legitimacy of that feeling, and some competing feeling judgment arises.

    Also, say, if one spends most of their conscious time attending to thinking rather than feeling about something (and if one does other stuff to stabilise oneself along the way), then feeling... mellows out? Doesn't have the immediate purchase on one that it might? One has alternatives for focus and "intensity" of feeling goes by the wayside?
    A judgment is just a decision.

    In the past, people have called me "intense" (not obnoxiously so but intense nonetheless). Why? I'm a person who has strong emotions underneath the calm exterior and try to liberate them outwards in productive ways. The strong emotions definitely have to do with it. They provide your energy, your drive, your passion. I'm a focused person. That adds to it. They say, I "mean business." Maybe that's just Te. I've speculated all of this has something to do with being an introverted intuitive. Maybe Enneagram 8 with Sx instinctual varient is related? Not sure. One can certainly be passionate about their thoughts, vision, or how they see things. It need not be "feeling".

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    A judgment is just a decision.
    Yeah, but decisions vary in kind, it would seem. Which seems to relate to this:

    One can certainly be passionate about their thoughts, vision, or how they see things. It need not be "feeling".
    Poki wrote something about this long, long ago, how IXTJ will act to restrict what counts as available objective judgment according to feeling and will maintain the claim of objectivity, apparently being blind to the influence of feeling. Which makes sense if thinking is the more dominant perspective and feeling is relatively unconscious. Thinking being more conscious is relatively more flexible while feeling being less conscious tends more to the provision of points of fixity.

    So I wonder what more conscious, more flexibly accessible feeling is like. And I wonder where the synthesis of feeling judgment takes place. (And if I say "synthesis" I wonder whether or not I'm speaking only really of introverted feeling.)

    I had an idea recently that public INTJ feeling has a more black and white quality not because it is more black and white but just because only the starker, more intense "decisions" make it to the surface. Or perhaps just because it gets filtered through thinking.

    Or... or... something. Dunno.




    Plus possibly poking a little fun at the feelers. If they can laugh at our rigor... etc.
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