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    The answer portrays the object?
    The answer portrays the question only.

    The question is not irrespective of the field?

    The question is a set ground.
    The answer is not?

    We can have an objective answer?
    The answer is not subject to the question?

    You do not find what is found.
    You are included in what is found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The answer portrays the object?
    The answer portrays the question only.
    Disagree. The answer reveals the color of the tiger's skin beneath the striped fur.

    The question is not irrespective of the field?
    The question becomes what it examines most closely. It can't help itself.

    The question is a set ground.
    The answer is not?
    The question is a relative point in the deep space of the answer.

    We can have an objective answer?
    I doubt it.

    The answer is not subject to the question?
    It is - it "answers" to the question (the voice of authority or demand).

    You do not find what is found.
    You are included in what is found.
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    The types don't fit people - people fit the types?
    Is the result stereotype? If you're ESTJ, does that designation inadvertently tell more about you than who you actually might be and what you actually do?

    Then there are two ways I can interpret your title.

    1) This is not the appropriate way of using MBTI.
    2) I'm wrong.

    Uncertainty axes me.
    Not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    Disagree. The answer reveals the color of the tiger's skin beneath the striped fur.



    The question becomes what it examines most closely. It can't help itself.



    The question is a relative point in the deep space of the answer.



    I doubt it.



    It is - it "answers" to the question (the voice of authority or demand).



    The question cannot help itself. I agree.
    The question is a relative point.. I agree.
    You doubt we can have an objective answer. I doubt it, too.
    The answer is subject to the question. I agree.

    What is the tiger's skin colour beneath the striped fur?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadir View Post
    The types don't fit people - people fit the types?
    Is the result stereotype? If you're ESTJ, does that designation inadvertently tell more about you than who you actually might be and what you actually do?

    Then there are two ways I can interpret your title.

    1) This is not the appropriate way of using MBTI.
    2) I'm wrong.

    Uncertainty axes me.
    The MBTI has a place. I never said the loopholes are not there.
    Nobody is wrong.

    Does the designation tell too much?
    If you are an extreme ESTJ, no. Then you are in the loophole.

    If you are a well rounded ESTJ (the prototype of the American male?), then you are not in the loophole. You are not nearer any other loophole than the ESTJ.

    Types may or may not fit people. People may or may not fit types.
    Usually they fit to the extent to make the MBTI work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The answer portrays the object?
    The answer portrays the question only.
    My take is that the answer can portray the object either within the limitations of the question, or without them. And it depends on the answer, not on the question.
    The question chooses some variables and the answer is a set of data that match those variables. There is a whole pool of relevant data, and the answer can include more or less of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    The question becomes what it examines most closely. It can't help itself.
    That, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    What is the tiger's skin colour beneath the striped fur?
    A pinkish white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastrailway View Post


    A pinkish white.

    I have a calico cat. She's pink under the white fur and grayish under the black fur. Not sure what color is under the tawny fur, that fur has never been shaved. She has a mix of pink and black paw pads, looks like candy corn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The MBTI has a place. I never said the loopholes are not there.
    Nobody is wrong.

    Does the designation tell too much?
    If you are an extreme ESTJ, no. Then you are in the loophole.

    If you are a well rounded ESTJ (the prototype of the American male?), then you are not in the loophole. You are not nearer any other loophole than the ESTJ.

    Types may or may not fit people. People may or may not fit types.
    Usually they fit to the extent to make the MBTI work.
    So what you mean is that the types indicate tendencies, and may not reflect exactly how people are, because it's only a rough measurement/estimate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    I have a calico cat. She's pink under the white fur and grayish under the black fur. Not sure what color is under the tawny fur, that fur has never been shaved. She has a mix of pink and black paw pads, looks like candy corn.
    But does the pink and the gray looks like a real colour, or it's more like white with shadows?
    I've never seen any feline without fur, but, given that the skin pigments are normally not active, because of the fur, I just guessed it would be so.
    Thinking about it, cats don't have fur in the interior of the ear. The rest of the skin must have pretty much this colour, though less intense, cause the ear skin pigments are likely to be more active.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The answer portrays the object?
    The answer portrays the question only.

    The question is not irrespective of the field?

    The question is a set ground.
    The answer is not?

    We can have an objective answer?
    The answer is not subject to the question?

    You do not find what is found.
    You are included in what is found.
    Limitations. Wildcat, you're coming from this from the XXXX thread, I believe?

    The MBTI can only describe personalities if they exist within the 4 dichotomies it defines.

    Hence the question is a set ground, and as far as answers (personalities), can fit within the frame of the MBTI polarities, we will be included. This means we're subject to the framework of the question.

    Your loopholes refers to personalities which are beyond the descriptions of the MBTI. The XXXX was one example. A person to whom the polarities does not matter - does it make him less of a person, does it mean he does not have a personality?

    That was how you derived the 50% chance of an XXXX, wasn't it? Either a personality can be described by the MBTI. Or not at all. But it does not mean he does not exist. Loopholes due to limitations.

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