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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    If I had to choose an image to represent how I conceptualize the framework that is "Se" and how I feel it is implemented (especially by ESXPs) it would be this one:
    This one works too:
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    So you picture it with a stick up your ass?
    LOL!

    No, dude. That's a huge titanium turd I'm squeezing out before I go shoot some hoops. When's the last time you had an eye exam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    This one works too:
    Yeah, that's the better side of it, actually!
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    I make business plans in my sleep and have a couple of business ideas every day. Yeah it's easy to see Te in me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    The smiley dude actually captures more than we'd think at first glance.

    Overall.. perhaps "forceful, determined, and ready to take life by the private area"?

    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    What causes the duct tape to be applied to Ni? I am curious how NiTi differs from NiFi in regard to determining duct tape and what is actually duct taped. Is Ti more of a logical structure around the duct tape or duct taped area while Fi is more feeling.
    Hell, I'm not even sure if what I describe is an aggregation of Ni and Fe or not. I'll leave someone else to answer your question in theoretical detail, but I can say what it means for me.

    I'm right until I'm wrong, but I always approach things as if I could be wrong--that is, if my perspective is missing something. I take try to take something from everything and adjust my worldview accordingly.

    Take a particular interaction with other person. If someone has completely unwarranted criticism for me, for example, I don't dismiss the entire experience based upon the fact that the criticism itself is unwarranted. If they're yelling and frustrated.. well, that teaches me that perhaps that person is (and maybe that people in general are..) critical when they're frustrated. If I choose to "truncate" my depth of thought--which I will if the stakes are low--perhaps I'll just treat them as a critical person and act accordingly.

    Take another person who gives me advice contrary to the way I've been living in some particular aspect of my life. I innately recognize how they are approaching the issue, and perhaps "bend" my own perception to incorporate their advice--again, not completely dismissing it just because it doesn't match my experience or perspective. I extract what's reasonable to extract from the interaction--perhaps they're absolutely and completely correct, or perhaps their advice is tainted (for good or for bad) by their experience. In fact, perhaps it's all bollocks.

    In other words, what does a person really feel, and does the person really mean? How much can I take away from the experience?


    When it comes to systems, rules, and quotas.. I don't take them for what they are. For example, there's a reason why a speed limit exists--for good or for bad. Perhaps those in charge wish to reduce risks to drivers. But then, if that's their intention, and if their intention is valid, there might be another better way for that intention to be manifested. A speed limit may or may not be the best answer.

    Okay, so your boss has only Ph.D.s on his "senior" research staff and you're relegated to a "junior" position. "Rules is rules"? Not necessarily. His intention is likely to showcase the competency of his staff--to provide the perception to customers that his staff is top-notch. That's what a Ph.D. shows. So work around the system if you want a "senior" position--showcase your own competency and diplomatically display it, obtain a Ph.D. yourself, or otherwise become the exception to the rule. None of these options is 'either-or,' by the way--all of them can be pursued at some level simultaneously, even if the focus is on one of them.

    What's most important is why a rule--social, bureaucratic, or otherwise--is in place. If it doesn't make sense, then, well, weigh breaking it or working around it and potentially moving forward, against the possible consequences are doing so.


    In general, I usually ruminate about an entire experience, trying to see it from every possible angle and extract what I can from it. I tend toward becoming conscious of all of these possible interpretations, rather than subconsciously processing them--though I know that the latter happens as well.

    In retrospect, this might not sound like Judging. I'd be interested to see what people think.

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    Pretty easy for me, easiest in socionics though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    The smiley dude actually captures more than we'd think at first glance.

    Overall.. perhaps "forceful, determined, and ready to take life by the private area"?



    Hell, I'm not even sure if what I describe is an aggregation of Ni and Fe or not. I'll leave someone else to answer your question in theoretical detail, but I can say what it means for me.

    I'm right until I'm wrong, but I always approach things as if I could be wrong--that is, if my perspective is missing something. I take try to take something from everything and adjust my worldview accordingly.

    Take a particular interaction with other person. If someone has completely unwarranted criticism for me, for example, I don't dismiss the entire experience based upon the fact that the criticism itself is unwarranted. If they're yelling and frustrated.. well, that teaches me that perhaps that person is (and maybe that people in general are..) critical when they're frustrated. If I choose to "truncate" my depth of thought--which I will if the stakes are low--perhaps I'll just treat them as a critical person and act accordingly.

    Take another person who gives me advice contrary to the way I've been living in some particular aspect of my life. I innately recognize how they are approaching the issue, and perhaps "bend" my own perception to incorporate their advice--again, not completely dismissing it just because it doesn't match my experience or perspective. I extract what's reasonable to extract from the interaction--perhaps they're absolutely and completely correct, or perhaps their advice is tainted (for good or for bad) by their experience. In fact, perhaps it's all bollocks.

    In other words, what does a person really feel, and does the person really mean? How much can I take away from the experience?


    When it comes to systems, rules, and quotas.. I don't take them for what they are. For example, there's a reason why a speed limit exists--for good or for bad. Perhaps those in charge wish to reduce risks to drivers. But then, if that's their intention, and if their intention is valid, there might be another better way for that intention to be manifested. A speed limit may or may not be the best answer.

    Okay, so your boss has only Ph.D.s on his "senior" research staff and you're relegated to a "junior" position. "Rules is rules"? Not necessarily. His intention is likely to showcase the competency of his staff--to provide the perception to customers that his staff is top-notch. That's what a Ph.D. shows. So work around the system if you want a "senior" position--showcase your own competency and diplomatically display it, obtain a Ph.D. yourself, or otherwise become the exception to the rule. None of these options is 'either-or,' by the way--all of them can be pursued at some level simultaneously, even if the focus is on one of them.

    What's most important is why a rule--social, bureaucratic, or otherwise--is in place. If it doesn't make sense, then, well, weigh breaking it or working around it and potentially moving forward, against the possible consequences are doing so.


    In general, I usually ruminate about an entire experience, trying to see it from every possible angle and extract what I can from it. I tend toward becoming conscious of all of these possible interpretations, rather than subconsciously processing them--though I know that the latter happens as well.

    In retrospect, this might not sound like Judging. I'd be interested to see what people think.
    It doesnt sound like a judging function. Sounds like pulling in the perception you get from things around you. It sounds open, but closed at the same time. Open to angles, but closed when applying it to people in regard to F. I can see that you are processing the logic behind the angles and keeping things open, but in regards to feelings it comes across more blanketed as if maybe people do things for the same reasons. Its like a shift in focus from "individualization" to "group". The reason things are done the way they are done vs the way people are.

    Just my perception of what you wrote. It all has a similiar feel which I am guessing is Ni. I can totally relate to most of your logic behind the angles, Fe for me is not so group oriented, I still tend to lean toward Ti with what people do.
    Im out, its been fun

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    I notice my tertiary function the most as it is the one constantly growing and getting better. The first two are givens. If I can't imagine how they might be different, it is hard to notice them to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    I make business plans in my sleep and have a couple of business ideas every day. Yeah it's easy to see Te in me.
    That's more of a sign of Ni, though.
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    My Fe feels very silent and wordless, I actually notice it the most here on the forum, when people say things like feeling social anxieties or not knowing how to engage or connect with other people. Then the realization hits me that it may not be intuitive (not in the MBTI sense) to some people. Not that I'm great at it or anything, it's just not something that petrifies me. It's a Just Do It kind of thing...I don't think twice about it.

    I know this isn't the case for every Fe dom but for me IRL, it's comes down to if I want to engage/disengage or connect/disconnect. Depending on which mode I chose, the Fe practically drives itself. I know pretty much what I need to do in either direction. Introverted perception +Ti I feel a lot. It's like some little scrungy rat grabbing something from a trash can and then running back into a sewer to take it apart and then if it decides it edible just devours it. Very Gollum-esque.
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