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    Quote Originally Posted by HighwayChild View Post
    I wasn't aware that it could be easy for you all to ignore yourselves sometimes. Is that a general E thing or maybe it's the E and Fe you mentioned? Some Es do seem into themselves as well, I wonder if thats because of other functions.
    i think it is a general E thing, but it manifests differently depending on what your extraverted function is. both an ESFJ and ENFJ i know will ignore themselves sometimes - what they really want - because they're busy taking care of others. for me, it's less about taking care of others on social terms and more like it's easy to get really excited about and into someone else's cause or project and ignore the things that i should really be working on instead, to the point of my own detriment. the INTPs (Ne aux) i know won't do that. they share interest in my projects, sure, but they prefer their own. Ti calls their name and they wander off.

    Skylights and Lady x, so what happens if you feel like probing and are interested only to realize that you won't get anywhere doing so with an I? What if you do and you find that nothing is there that is really that interesting or deep?
    lol, i dunno. never had that happen!

    more like i find things i'm frustrated with, or just generally annoyed by, or really disagree with their views and decide to stop. i've never met someone who is simply uninteresting to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I find this interesting because of the whole social reserved E point, the thing is that I believe there are gradations of sociability whether you are E or I and that the whole I is someone who finds others exhausting explanation is simplistic, I'm definitely E, wish I was less so but I find people exhausting, particularly if they are draining individuals.
    yes, very. i much appreciate the explanation that technically extroverts are more energized by the exterior world and introverts more energized by the interior world, because it leaves the fixation on people behind. love people though i do, there's more to the external world than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbah View Post
    I am an introvert but I feel that way sometimes too with other introverts who are somehow very interesting to me. Probing doesn't seem to get me anywhere though, and if a natural rapport doesn't develop after a short while I am too exhausted to carry on probing and feel uncomfortable and too exposed sharing things about myself but not getting something similar in return. Maybe extroverts don't get so tired though and like the challenge?
    lol, yeah. probably. i was kinda joking when i used the term "probing" though... it's not like poking at you with a stick until you respond or interrogating you or whatever. if i REALLY want to know information, i'm wayyyy more subtle than that. if i don't really care i might just ask up front.

    oh, and here's a difference: i think IxxJ (and ExxJ too) have more of an aversion to sharing personal depth than Ps do. it seems to take you guys a bit more to open up. i've proposed this before in the NF forum i think - NFP and NFJ, at least, seem to generally hide in very different ways. typically, NFJ hides depth; NFP hides breadth. after a night at the bar you will know all 500 things NFJ is interested in but you will not know about their childhood. conversely you will hear 500 stories from NFP's childhood but you will not have any idea about the real extent of their interests.

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    It just seems so easy for E's to navigate their way through the day in dealing with people. "Hey, how's it going? Whatcha been up to? Workin' hard or hardly workin'? I hear ya! Me too! LOL. Hahaha. Yep. OK then, we'll talk to you later." As they walk out the door, they see another person. "Oh, hey!! What ended up happening last night? Really? I didn't hear from you so I didn't know what happened. OK, gotta run! Talk to you soon. Call me and let me know what happens!" As they walk away, their phone rings, "Yo! What's up Ronald? What's the scoop for today? What time will you be there? Oh, OK, that sounds good. If I'm not there, just use the key I gave you and let yourself in. I'll be home shortly after that."

    When I witness that, I'm like "Holy moly!!!!!!!!!" That's just a world that I still have a hard time relating to. Non-stop interaction. 150 miles per hour with your hair on fire, juggling various conversations, no time for contemplation or calm, quiet atmosphere, and still wanting more, never tiring from it. :horor:
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    Extroverts astonish me sometimes with their seemingly endless ability to be around people. I get exhausted just watching them do their extroverted thing...we'll have a stimulating conversation, and talk high-speed for an hour, they'll have just spent the morning with someone, they'll be on their way to another social gathering, and bemoaning the fact that no one's coming over for dinner. That just melts my brain.

    Sometimes, I wonder how much my friendship really means to some extroverts, because they have such a constant stream of people going in and out of their day. I'm secretly reassured when they go the extra mile.

    inversely, I'm amused when they worry that we're not good friends because we haven't talked twice a day. If I'm talking to you for longer than 5 minutes on a regular basis, we're friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I find this interesting because of the whole social reserved E point, the thing is that I believe there are gradations of sociability whether you are E or I and that the whole I is someone who finds others exhausting explanation is simplistic, I'm definitely E, wish I was less so but I find people exhausting, particularly if they are draining individuals.
    Yep. I definitely don't buy the exhaustion thing as it is described. I've said before, I don't get exhausted by people I like and feel comfortable with. Ok, I will need some alone time, but if I count the hours it's not many days in a month.

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    hmmm...I don't think it's that simple as what do extroverts and introverts think of one another...I think I'm something of an ambivert I can't decide if I'm E or I...
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    I can't fathom being that withdrawn from other people, and I wonder what it's like to be an extreme introvert. Maybe that means I'm just an ENFP, but sometimes I suspect I'm an introvert.
    Same. I don't get the lone wolf thing. I used to be one, yes, but I was hurting myself...

    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    oh, and here's a difference: i think IxxJ (and ExxJ too) have more of an aversion to sharing personal depth than Ps do. it seems to take you guys a bit more to open up. i've proposed this before in the NF forum i think - NFP and NFJ, at least, seem to generally hide in very different ways. typically, NFJ hides depth; NFP hides breadth. after a night at the bar you will know all 500 things NFJ is interested in but you will not know about their childhood. conversely you will hear 500 stories from NFP's childhood but you will not have any idea about the real extent of their interests.
    Really? This makes me question my type. I would definitely be and INFJ by your definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    lol, i dunno. never had that happen!

    more like i find things i'm frustrated with, or just generally annoyed by, or really disagree with their views and decide to stop. i've never met someone who is simply uninteresting to me.
    This might be the radically different thing in me compared to extroverts. I honestly don't think that people are that interesting in general. More often than not, I don't care about knowing more about a person I just met. I don't know what makes them more interesting for me in the long run, but to have like an attraction to new people and how they function, this is not me at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyGrass View Post
    Extroverts astonish me sometimes with their seemingly endless ability to be around people. I get exhausted just watching them do their extroverted thing...we'll have a stimulating conversation, and talk high-speed for an hour, they'll have just spent the morning with someone, they'll be on their way to another social gathering, and bemoaning the fact that no one's coming over for dinner. That just melts my brain.

    Sometimes, I wonder how much my friendship really means to some extroverts, because they have such a constant stream of people going in and out of their day. I'm secretly reassured when they go the extra mile.

    inversely, I'm amused when they worry that we're not good friends because we haven't talked twice a day. If I'm talking to you for longer than 5 minutes on a regular basis, we're friends.
    Or how an extrovert can hold down a 9-to-5 dealing with people all day and then want to go hang out after work until 10pm, with more people. And then when the weekend comes (a great opportunity to relax by yourself), they want to go be with people again.

    I mean, I do stuff, but it's just to a much lesser degree.

    For me, it's like, I have to go with people today, but I'll be off by 3:30 or 4 and then I can go back home for the rest of the night.
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    My loquacious new roommate is recently making me realize that I almost DEFINITELY am an introvert. I love to have people AROUND, just not always talking to them, necessarily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    I love to have people AROUND, just not always talking to them, necessarily.
    Me too.

    Should it then be split something like this:

    E = interested in many
    I = interested in few

    T = interested in things
    F = interested in people

    That would make ExFx the most extroverted and IxTx the most introverted. Interestingly that could mean that an ExTx might seem more introverted than IxFx in some situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Should it then be split something like this:

    E = interested in many
    I = interested in few

    T = interested in things
    F = interested in people

    That would make ExFx the most extroverted and IxTx the most introverted. Interestingly that could mean that an ExTx might seem more introverted than IxFx in some situations.
    That totally works. My INFJ sis can appear way more sociable than me because of her interest in people, it just tires her out.

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    As an introverted extrovert (shhh, purists), it's nice to have people around but just as nice to have some downtime. I don't have that much interest in small talk but if I meet a stranger in a grocery lineup where we have a mutual interest, can chat for long enough that ice cream has become soup.

    So maybe I'm an extrovert for reasonably quality conversations and an introvert for blah, blah, blah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Me too.

    Should it then be split something like this:

    E = interested in many
    I = interested in few

    T = interested in things
    F = interested in people

    That would make ExFx the most extroverted and IxTx the most introverted. Interestingly that could mean that an ExTx might seem more introverted than IxFx in some situations.
    well, that works for ESFP, but ENFP is noted to be one of the most socially introverted of the cognitively extraverted types. it's important to note that Se means living in the real world while Ne means lots of processing in your head, so NFP is significantly more spacey/removed than SFP.

    i think it's useful to look at the functions in addition just letters in these cases, because they highlight more nuances. for instance, i'm interested in many ideas but i'd rather delve deep with a handful of people - which kind of makes sense, given an N-E, F-I matchup. whereas a good NFJ friend of mine is more interested in interacting with groups of people but delves deeper with fewer ideas- F-E, N-I.

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