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    If you say that NiFe produces a Fi effect, then shouldn't it be possible for NeFi to produce a Fe effect?

    Thanks for making the answer intelligible and not 27 pages.
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    Additional thoughts:

    Shouldn't SiFe produce a Fi effect and SeFi produce Fe? I'm not understanding what you mean when you say Fi effects. If it holds true for one I'm thinking it should hold true for the other. Are you saying this is true across the board or just with N-types? So NeTi/SeTi should look like Te and NiTe/SiTe should look like Ti (but I don't think you're going to go for that ).

    I do think that certain function combinations mimic others so I understand general principle of what you're saying.

    BTW, I'm not trying to be a smartass. I genuinely want to know what you think.
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    If you say that NiFe produces a Fi effect, then shouldn't it be possible for NeFi to produce a Fe effect?

    Thanks for making the answer intelligible and not 27 pages.
    Although my knowledge is extremely limited, I would like to point to that other thread where people posted their cognitive processes results.

    Quote Originally Posted by targo View Post

    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ** (49.9)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ** (29.7)
    average use

    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ** (58)
    excellent use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ** (31.8)
    good use

    Quote Originally Posted by Alcearos View Post
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ** (43.2)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ** (34.8)
    good use

    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ** (39.8)
    excellent use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ** (40.9)
    excellent use
    Quote Originally Posted by arcticangel02 View Post
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ** (36.1)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ** (28)
    average use

    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ** (50.4)
    excellent use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ** (37.4)
    excellent use
    Quote Originally Posted by illiterate abc View Post
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) (35.4)
    good use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) (26.2)
    average use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) (41.4)
    excellent use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) (40.6)
    excellent use
    All four ENFPs who posted their scores got as high an Fe score as their Fi, often even higher.

    I don't know whether that's a defect in the test or our inability to read the questions properly, but it seems like a fairly important trend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    If you say that NiFe produces a Fi effect, then shouldn't it be possible for NeFi to produce a Fe effect?

    Thanks for making the answer intelligible and not 27 pages.
    Yes for both cases. However, the Si-Fe effect is more akin to the Fi observed in ISFPs rather than in INFPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticangel02 View Post
    Although my knowledge is extremely limited, I would like to point to that other thread where people posted their cognitive processes results.

    All four ENFPs who posted their scores got as high an Fe score as their Fi, often even higher.

    I don't know whether that's a defect in the test or our inability to read the questions properly, but it seems like a fairly important trend.
    Yes thank you for pointing that out. I remember thinking this when I saw that thread and also it's part of my difficulty in telling ENFJs from ENFPs even though these types have no functions in common.

    So now, I'm wondering how much of this is due to both types being extroverts and therefore picking up the language of Fe or is this something else.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Yes for both cases. However, the Si-Fe effect is more akin to the Fi observed in ISFPs rather than in INFPs.
    Well, I got what I asked for!
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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