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    According to Lenore Thomson (in Personality Type: An Owner's Manual):
    .....[Introverted Feeling] bypasses structural considerations and puts human value first. Such discrimination is unquestionably illogical, but it's in no way irrational. Indeed, to place human value above statistical risk isn't possible without the ability to reason.
    One might even suggest that it's the rational character of Introverted Feeling that separates us from the species who share most of our DNA. Our closest primate relatives can be observed to use Extraverted Judging skills. They recognize a heirarchy of relationships, react to social cues, sacrifice their options for a wounded mate or an infant. They can be taught to perform calculations, to manipulate signs, to abstract general concepts. But they can't be taught to defy statistical odds purely for the sake of human value.
    Wow.

    So.....a world without Fi would be a world without HUMANITY???

    A world of mere APES????


    Discuss......

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    But they can't be taught to defy statistical odds purely for the sake of human value.
    Is it just me, or wouldn't it be odd for apes to defy statistical odds for the sake of human value?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    Dude aren't we all? The empathy argument is stupid to me. People who don't have empathy tend to turn out to be sociopaths/psychopaths...
    true that. either side claiming empathy is ridic. i forget who pointed it out, but crying when other babies cry is an infant reflex! maybe functions will make us express it differently, but it's definitely just a general human thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    As much as I've been participating in the other thread, I never took the premise of "A world without <choose your function>" seriously. It's as nonsensical as asking what a world without "green" would be like.
    agree. and it automatically seems like it would be a terrible world because we love green! but if we never knew green... i mean, i've never seen ultraviolet but i still rather enjoy the world. no counterpart to Fe or Ti would kind of not make sense though anyway

    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
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    Fi's the ocean the ship is surrounded by and uses to get somewhere, to journey, to find its way...or get completely lost in the shit storm up ahead
    ooh, i've had this thought of Fi as an ocean too. maybe not in the ship metaphor but it does Feel like the ocean... deep, expansive, mysterious, but very comforting and freeing... usually calm to the surface observer but a lot going on underneath... and terrifying when stormy

    let's see... parts of a ship...

    sail - propels the ship where you want to go, but only if there's wind
    keel - makes side-to-side motion more useful and steadies the ship in rough waters
    mast - holds up the sail
    rigging - holds it all together
    hull - the body, where ya keep everything inside
    poop deck - just kidding...

    i'm not really seeing this one work out lol

    actually... i feel more like we each have our own functional ships based on order/development... Fi would be my rudder, Ne my sails, Te my mast, Si the rigging, Ni the hull (stuff gets lots down there a lot), Ti the keel (not a very strong one either, i am a rather chaotic ship), Fe my flags... and Se... the little guy in the crow's nest munching potato chips and enjoying the breeze, who keeps falling asleep

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    Alright, this thread has been too nice... time for war:

    A world without Fi would be a world without authenticity...

    Bring it on... I dare you...

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    It will stay sweet and fluffy, you'll see, you'll see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    Fi's the ocean the ship is surrounded by and uses to get somewhere, to journey, to find its way...
    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    ooh, i've had this thought of Fi as an ocean too. maybe not in the ship metaphor but it does Feel like the ocean... deep, expansive, mysterious, but very comforting and freeing... usually calm to the surface observer but a lot going on underneath... and terrifying when stormy
    At this point, as a tert-Fi user, I'd like to remind the dom and aux Fi users that functional order does matter...

    I have well-developed Fi, as do other INTJs on this forum, and, I don't want to speak for them (although what I'm about to say probably holds true for them as well...), but, at least for me, this whole Fi as an ocean deal really does not hold true.

    That's likely your description because of its placement of in your functional order, just as much, if not more, than anything inherent to Fi...

    I bet for Fi-dom's, they'd say it feels like the universe...

    For Fi-aux's, it feels like an ocean...

    For me, it feels like a burning fire within my soul...

    For inferiors, it probably feels like that annoying angel on their shoulder...

    The relative size one sees it as embodying is likely related to how much of one's mental universe it happens to embody.


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    Man, this ship metaphor is sinking fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonkavision View Post
    Man, this ship metaphor is sinking fast.
    I actually like the rudder metaphor.

    I think Fi is the rudder, at least for an Fi-user.

    But for an Fe-user, Fe-is the rudder...

    Now for humanity, hmmmm...

    I would say for humanity, there is no single rudder.

    There are thousands of rutters constantly trying to push the world in their own direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    It will stay sweet and fluffy, you'll see, you'll see...
    You might be right...

    I'm too tired to stir up much trouble...

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    *Zarathustra's enemies, hearing of his vulnerability, plot to converge and swoop in for the kill... impending chaos starts to ensue*


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